I wonder what is going to be Firefox reason to even exist if we already have Chrome and Edge?
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I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀
There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.
Just chiming in to recommend Floorp. Have been using it for a few months now and really like it :D
I tried Zen on Arch. Wouldn't even load pages. I'd avoid it for a while. 🤷♂️
I use Zen on Arch without issue. To be specific it's Arch Wayland with Wayfire.
I have been loving LibreWolf for a while now. Can really recommend it!
Which would yiu recommend librewolf or waterfox?
Librewolf is definitely better if you are a hardcore privacy nerd. I used it but it broke some sites due to the privacy settings. Waterfox is better than Firefox privacy-wise. Waterfox is in the sweet spot for me. Waterfox has an app but I do not like it because it was very slow compared to the Firefox app. I use Waterfox as desktop browser and Firefox as mobile browser.
Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):
- Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
- Floorp: also neat, but features I don't use
- Waterfox: sweet spot for me
Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven't noticed any problems with websites and haven't run into any bugs.
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
I tend to go with Flathub before the AUR, if available. 👍
I like Zen for its different interface. I like having a built-in vertical tab bar. It's not as focused on privacy and security as Librewolf is, though.
Try Mullvad browser, it works well in my opinion. It should be used with a VPN (i.e. shared IP address space) though.
Zen: is Firefox
Floorp: is Firefox
Waterfox: is Firefox
Librewolf: is Firefox
They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.
There is currently no comptetive engine that isn’t owned/developed by a big company. Ladybird is slowly getting there, but it’s gonna take a while. Until then gecko engine is OK for now. It’s all opensource so we know when that’s no longer the case.
No, being a fork doesn't mean it's the same browser.
There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I'm pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.
But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.
I found waterfox on aurora store android and below this stores page it lists trackers found: Mozilla telemetry, Sentry. What is the point if it gives Mozilla the same data? Or is this not whst i think it is?
Is Zen still a safe bet? I’m using it currently and quite like it actually so I’m hoping it’s still a good option. I just frankly am pretty ignorant of all this browser shenanigans.
Is waterfox independent of system1 now?
ETA: they are apparently: www.farside.link/reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/14phsyl/a_new_chapter_for_waterfox/
Here is the link without the need to open reddit. https://www.waterfox.net/blog/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/
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Isn't one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it's near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I'd wager some companies feel like they won't survive if they don't keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.
Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.
The capitalist way.
FOSS FOSS FOSS and self-host.
Get used to it. Nothing lasts forever.
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