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[–] [email protected] 9 points 49 minutes ago (2 children)

Conservative be like: "NOOOO WE CANT 'WASTE MONEY' AND FUND A COUNTRY DEFENDING ITSELF FROM INVASION 😡😡😡"

Also conservatives: "Lets cut social security and give money to israel so they can commit a genocide 😏"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 minutes ago

also crickets when it comes to israel.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

They're also going to gut IRS. So there will be less revenue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago

Oh

You think there is less revenue?

🤣

Tariffs and sales tax doesn't need IRS

[–] Maggoty 4 points 36 minutes ago

As a point of clarity. Trump demanded a ridiculous share of minerals from Ukraine. Zelensky wanted to negotiate that. Trump essentially told him there was no negotiation. They could give up half of their future mineral wealth or they could kick rocks.

[–] LordCrom 19 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure Germany, France, or the UK would love to get the mineral rights that Trump is after.

I really want this to blow up in Trump's face. Rude strongarm tactics is a real bad look.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

I sure as hell hope we don't make our support contingent on securing mineral rights from Ukraine while they're over a barrel.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

i need something to bring my blood pressure down. i am flushed with anger. make your own mirror of this if you download yt-dlp run from command line

yt-dlp https://youtu.be/uqOOOR7Kr-s

"this is gonna be great television, i'll tell you that" - Donald Trump, 025/28/2, he tried to bully Ukrainian president Zelenskyy on live tv

edit should be noted the minerals in ukraine are presumed, theoretical, just what little i know, but this "deal" would allow more U.S. corruption and private interests to head over and start raping the land, looking for a jackpot.

[–] Numenor 2 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Look how you've mangled that date

[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago

look you gotta say the date biggest to smallest. that way it's impervious to nationalist math confusion.

if i did it wrong then we'll just rewrite the rules in my favor

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Good job GOP. We lost the Cold War.

[–] d00phy 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

All these years after winning it. That’s some special war-fightin right there!

[–] FordBeeblebrox 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] d00phy 2 points 54 minutes ago

Few things age like as they’re happening!

[–] [email protected] 98 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Zelensky is the strongest man in the world to be able to hold himself back from attacking these ass holes.

[–] DrFistington 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think he should call Trump's bluff and send in a few dozen battle hardened Ukrainian troops with a few dozen drones and show Trump's entire nursing home and support staff how things work nowadays. We need to put together an anonymous block chain fund with the purpose of putting multi million bounties on the treason party, funded anonymously by small donors and build a reliable mechanism for people to anonymously, but truthfully claim the bounties. What our political contributions fail to do, crowd funding can do. All of the technology exists to make this happen, and it's one of the main appeals of crypto currencies. Large scale anonymous transactions. If I find out there's a billionaire Trump donating traitor or heritage foundation member near me, and I can get a basic Intel file and there's a 500K bounty on them, then shit. They better hug their money goodnight one last time. Just send an email from a burner/anon account to a recipient with the time of death rough location and wallet address before any news is released. If all the details add up then release the funds to the wallet.

Make it worth while and let rule#3 take effect:

"Number three, never trust nobody Your moms'll set that ass up, properly gassed up Hoodied and masked up, shit, for that fast buck She be laying in the bushes to light that ass up"

[–] DicJacobus 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, it would have certainly resulted in him being shot on the spot. The Secret Service would shoot anyone .

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I wonder how long until the US is nuked? Or at least actually attacked, militarily.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne 18 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Man, I want this war over and the US out of it.

But watching our POTUS and VP behave that way on international TV. Even if you support their politics, it's hard for me to understand how all of us are not embarrassed.

I also like that Zelensky didn't just swallow the insults and spoke his piece, because the media is (of course) focusing solely on the preferred Trump narrative.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If you want to see the full video, including the parts before the discussion gets hot, here's the full video.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 hours ago

Fuck the MAGA US. Kick them out of NATO, and let's arm Europe. Between France and the UK we are a nuclear power of our own.

[–] Kaput 37 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Watched it, my takes: Trump is definitly the lets make an offer he can't refuse type of negociator. I am thinking that the last week's visits have been hard on their ego. I suspect there is an agreement between european leaders to not let them get away with lies and bullshit when in person, even in the oval office. And it seems to be working, Vance respect comment make them look real fricking weak.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 7 hours ago

The "respect" and "you should be thankful" comments reminded me of that old (I think Tumblr) post:

Sometimes people use "respect" to mean "treating someone like a person" and sometimes they use "respect" to mean "treating someone like an authority".

and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say "if you won't respect me, I won't respect you" and they mean "if you won't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person."

and they think they're being fair, but they aren't, and it's not okay.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The respect comment took me back to his donut debacle. The couchfucker is a charisma void.

[–] BigBenis 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The whole thing felt like an embodiment of this meme:

[–] reptar 7 points 4 hours ago
[–] DicJacobus 102 points 9 hours ago (22 children)

Starmer's visit was pointless Zelensky's visit was pointless

stop trying to appeal to the better nature of monsters.

Close the book on US/EU relations, NATO is dead. America is controlled by the Russian Mafia now.

Europe, prepare for war. America, prepare for the dominion of Fasicsm, and civil war

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Before completely cutting off ties from the US showing the public attempts had been made for diplomacy and providing evidence of what a bad actor US has become is important.

Showing is way more impactful and supports moves made afterwards than just making claims and cutting ties.

So not completely pointless, since the public needs to be able to come to the conclusion themselves first before drastic foreign relation changes can be made.

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[–] [email protected] 188 points 10 hours ago (33 children)

fuck you america for voting for this fascist scumbag. nobody should trust you again.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm an American and I'm upvoting this. After 2016, I thought that there were some misguided people who didn't realize what they were doing, but that the first Trump term would push the pendulum hard the other direction. I felt a little validated when Biden won in 2020, but it wasn't as one sided as I'd hoped. But Trump winning decisively in 2024 tells me that everyone knew and did it anyway. People are getting what they want: rampant racism, sexism, and global bullying.

So yes, we suck, and no one should trust us as a country, regardless of the fact that there are many of us who knew how catastrophic another Trump term would be.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think Trump won quite as decisively as it first seemed.

But shit, it's still like... a third of our country that looked at Trump and went, "yeah sure".

How the fuck do we fix this? I straight up have no clue. And that means it very likely will devolve into violence. And that is legitimately terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

How the fuck do we fix this?

The primary issue is twofold:

  1. Heavily biased information and restrictive media diets
  2. Democrat Inaction

If you try viewing even a tiny amount of right leaning content on a fresh social media account on any platform, you'll see the type of content that gets perpetuated. People simply become indoctrinated by content recommendations that are practically incapable of showing the other side, not to mention that most mainstream media is entirely corporately captured.

The fact that the Democrats were slow to release official policy for Harris's campaign, indeterminate on Gaza, and had (or really, still have) a very "this is fine, you're just overreacting, but sure we'll fix a few things" attitude towards political messaging, only helped Republicans, because it led a lot of people to just vote for the party that promised the most, and that was the Republicans. All the wars would be over, things would be cheaper, all the "bad" people wouldn't be here anymore, etc.

To a normal person with very little media literacy, those promises sound downright amazing.

I personally think we fix this by at least starting with messaging, since that's what actually leads most people to make a decision on who to vote for. There were literally people deciding on election night who they wanted to vote for, so messaging is highly important.

The left needs to speak to the immediately visible, material needs of the working people directly. While it's important to fight against the right on culture war issues to prevent the ceding of ground on things like civil rights and discrimination, I think a lot of left leaning messaging focuses too heavily on that, and as a result, it can seem to right-inclined people that the left has no economic policy. That needs to change.

See: Bernie Sanders, and how he very consistently addresses specific economic issues people face, and has broader support on the right compared to any democratic congressperson. Hell, even JD Vance said Bernie was one of the people he least disliked on the left, and Bernie's further left than the Democrats. Populist, economic disparity focused, anti-billionaire, pro-worker sentiment is how you change ordinary people's minds in the current media economy.

As an individual, the most you'll likely be able to do in this respect is going to be volunteering for phone banking efforts, donating money to left leaning charities focused on reducing economic inequality, and generally bringing these kinds of talking points up in general political discussion with others.

There's something else that's commonly overlooked though, and that's local policy. Think of a city's "town hall" type meetings that accept public comment. How many people in that city are actually regularly attending a town hall meeting? Think of how few people it really is during a particularly contentious proposal. Now imagine what it's like when it comes to something like "housing and urban development: reducing the rate of homelessness - meeting no. 57" Almost nobody. Get yourself and a few friends down to your local relevant policy meetings, make even a little noise, and the amount of change you can make as a result can be drastic compared to the actual % of the city's population you make up.

Pushing for things like ranked-choice voting in local elections can also be very viable, since it's proven that tends to push voters further left, on average, and it also adds some extra competition that can spur a party like the Democrats into actual meaningful action.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

This was very helpful to read. Thank you.

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[–] werefreeatlast 74 points 9 hours ago

Imagine being Zelensky and having to fly some some rando country to beg for help from a Nazi asshole to end the invasion from another Nazi asshole. And if you were to die, one of the two assholes would win?

Zelensky, if you need my help personally, just ask. I have a wheelbarrow so we can carry your balls. Trump would love it if his genitalia could weigh down a party balloon.

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