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how would you tell, since “narcissist” is used so often to describe a regular, typical asshole.

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[–] Pilferjinx 3 points 4 hours ago

Narcissists lack something that makes them whole. They desperately try to fill that void that fits in the current moment. They tend to truly believe a story to fit their needs and completely change it when the situation changes. You won't be able to correct their story based on your own memory. Sociopaths are whole, their memory is stable, their deeds are purposefully malignant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

There's gotta be a vin diagram for this one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago
[–] Broadfern 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My layman’s understanding is that clinical narcissism is a pathological obsession with the perception of self (vs. sociopathy which is pathological obsession with self-interests, explained in a moment), and being an asshole is a transient state.

A narcissist will constantly have in mind what others think of them, and obsessively make sure other people believe they are good, socially better, morally superior, high status, etc. at any cost, and will topple and tear down other people to ensure that perception. Anyone who challenges that is a threat and will be treated with active hostility. They care what you think because it feeds their sickness.

A sociopath generally does not care what you think, unless you believing something is useful to them. They are typically equally focused on others’ perception of them but for a different reason. People are simply tools; means to an end. Reputation is an asset in their toolkit to get what they want, at whatever cost. Lack of remorse at a pervasive, chronic level tends to characterize sociopathy.

An asshole doesn’t necessarily mean either. I can be mean to you, or hurt someone to get my way, and that would make me an asshole. I don’t necessarily think I’m better than you and I do have the capacity to feel remorse. Asshole is a changeable behavior, or an attitude, and not a severe disorder.

TL;DR: Narcissists are specifically mentally sick, and can be assholes. But anyone can act like an asshole ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

I think it's important to highlight the obsessive portion of it. Many people care about others perception of them, whereas narcissists literally obsess over it, to the point where every though and action is permeated by the crafting their image and boosting their other's perception, to the point where it becomes the narcissist's only goal. It's highly connected to ego, and a narcissist only ever does anything to chase a sense of superiority.

[–] Nurse_Robot 30 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Every narcissist is an asshole, but not every asshole is a narcissist

[–] QuarterSwede 3 points 10 hours ago

My asshole is definitely not a narcissist.

[–] TheBananaKing 1 points 6 hours ago

NPD and BPD are both driven by an eternal sucking void of insecurity and negative self-esteem that can never be filled.

Narcissists try to fill it with praise and social status, or failing that, power and subjugation.

Borderlines try to fill it with limerence and victimhood or failing that, revenge.

But it can't ever be filled - it's worse than addiction, worse than being underwater in some shitty MLM scheme. It takes and takes and takes because fuck you, pay me.

So they don't have friends or loved ones, they have hosts. They suck out all the goodness until there's nothing left to give, then they start in on the pain.

Assholes, in the other hand, are just driven by simple greed, callousness and lack of consideration. They can and do still hurt people of course, but it's not an all-consuming obsessive need.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

a narcissist is self-absorbed

an asshole actively enjoys the suffering of others

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

The asshole is an asshole on purpose.
The narcissist couldn't stop acting like an asshole even if they tried.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

One of them narrowly made it into the DSM-5 and the other never will.

The Politics of Sociopathic Narcissism

It is thus plausible to consider “narcissism” and “sociopathy” as really two poles on a continuum of overlapping traits (and indeed, the newly-revised DSM V, which considered subsuming narcissistic traits into sociopathy, has moved in this direction).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

Narcissist believes they're right. Assholes just think you're wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Youtuber Sarah Z has a whole video about how this online "Narcissist" obsession is dumb.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

anyone performing actions that hurt others where its not really about themselves. being mean for no particular reason or reward, especially to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

this lady who was my friend for a while is mean a lot because she has anger issues and is just a generally miserable, rude person. she is also autistic (i believe) like me, and gets overstimulated and is rude to everyone when they start talking all at once.

however, she is also especially cruel when she wants some sort of goal, and acts superior to everyone else. you’re a useless loser no matter how hard you try, and you are disgusting to be around. how dare you stand less than 10 yards from her?! you’re lucky to even be in her presence.

also, she is “always better than you” and cannot admit being wrong or take accountability.

[–] Valmond 3 points 13 hours ago

Sounds like she has no empathy already, and some sort of fragile ego so potentially narcissistic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Karen dector going off