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Vance’s attack on European democracy in Munich, perversely twisting the language of democracy itself should leave no doubt whatsoever that the aim of this administration is to destroy the EU and its liberal democracies," said Nathalie Tocci, director of Istituto Affari Internazionali think tank.

Responding to Vance's speech, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius told the conference: "If I understood him correctly he is comparing parts of Europe with authoritarian regimes. This is not acceptable."

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[–] krebssteven 38 points 4 days ago (2 children)

He can go fuck his couch. How dare this opportunistic cretin to critizise europe for being very much aware of social engineering threats while he himself was profiteering of the hard to doubt interference of oligarchs and agent provocateurs to manufacture consent.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

He's coming for your couch. Tape the seams.

[–] HowRu68 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Have you heard this speech at this "infamous" Unsecurity Conference in Munich ? It hurts the ears and head, as it sounds like George Orwells " NewSpeak".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What I worry about is the threat from within, the retreat of Europe from some its most fundamental values, values shared with the United States of America," Vance said.

Absurd, coming from them, right now, while at home they're well into dismantling their own institutions.

Whatever their intention, this whole ordeal feels like from Russia's playbook of spreading confusion and dissonance to weaken EU democracies.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why do the media have to parrot every fart that comes out of such a talking arse?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He wouldn't be, if nobody talks about him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He'd still be in power as part of the government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

But he couldn't abuse this power even more by spreading his vile bullshit abroad if nobody talked about him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

That's coming from the guy whos team banned AP reporters, because they would not use their made up name for the Gulf of Mexico.

Get fucked with an anchor.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There are some really funny lines in that Article

Vance says real threat for Europe is not from Russia or China

If he implies that he and the orange clown are a real threat right now he is certainly right.

"If you're running in fear of your own voters, there is nothing America can do for you," Vance said.

That's also really funny, because Republicans are in fear of their own voters for years, and try everything possible to make voting as hard as possible. From unregistering voters to gerrymandering, contesting absentee ballots or removing polling stations from poorer Areas, there is nothing they won't try to disenfranchise voters

https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Vance says real threat for Europe is not from Russia or China

If he implies that he and the orange clown are a real threat right now he is certainly right.

From the summary line I was wondering that too, but in the article, it's pretty clear that he's talking only about EU internals/citizens.

[–] sircac 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I already said it somewhere else:

I think this people have long already disqualified their ability to speech anything worth of coherent value, why keep listening them or take note of their words? They do not follow the rules of that game, is not possible to play on the same terms so that battleground is a distraction at best, a cancer at worst.

Don’t feed the troll, don’t support the bully.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The problem here is that they're in power now, representing and governing a country.

You can't not invite them to the security conference when the US is, and more significantly was, a part of and player in international security.

[–] sircac 0 points 3 days ago

I agree, they are recognised agents, so they should be invited, and I would turn on the microphone for them and wait patiently until they finished their speech within their rightful time, we play according to the rules, but then I would continue as if those minutes never existed, as a journalist I would provide the report of the real value of those irrelevant words and as a consumer I would treat their speech as useless as a child’s play as an adult blabbering, not too much to do with it, why isolate their catchy fallacies and amplify them? They do not contribute constructively to a coherent debate but exploit the system weaknesses. I believe that it starts in our individual choices.

[–] HowRu68 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

;Don’t feed the troll, don’t support the bully.

So you really think that staying silent about bullies helps? Sorry, it doesn't. It never has.

[–] sircac 2 points 3 days ago

Nope, no stay silent about them at all, actions must be taken indeed, but stay silent to them: if you answer or react to his words you accept the dialogue, legitimating the value of a speech full of fallacies, from someone that does not speak for a prolific constructive exchange of ideas that may result in advancing the understanding of a situation regardless of the thesis but from someone that only say those words to echo those slogan-like fallacies for the long run strategy.

The more care we put in avoid working for their propaganda the better. I believe that media and personalities reactions would better be accompanied by the statement that is a speech so full of fallacies that is worthless consider the arguments exposed nor the apparent conclusions, therefore no dialogue effort has been carried out but an attempt of manipulation based on lies, what more can be the opinion but the inappropriateness of such behaviour?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ban him from Schengen until he learns basic manners

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I was going to say the same!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

is he talking about himself?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I guess putin is going to find out now if European democracy was just a little american experiment that will collapse at the americans' whims or if it has a will of its own...