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[–] [email protected] 2 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

tldr: He left because of Snap.

-Just like the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Somehow I've drifted back to Ubuntu because of work. It's useful being on the same os as everyone else when troubleshooting, but I hate how I have to "fix" it on every fresh install, it just put up with broken snaps and constantly crashing security updates.

Honestly Arch was less work than this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

ubuntu is so popular when you stop using it you get to write a blog post

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Is Ubuntu the new Windows?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Based as heck!

[–] LovableSidekick 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I was about to install Ubuntu, which I've used before, but decided to try out Mint. About to throw the switch right now in fact. Hope it's a good decision.

[–] twotonebax 2 points 10 hours ago

Mint is great. I've been using it as my daily since mid last year after ditching windows.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago

LOL this is me. Bonus points for the immuteable versions. The first truly desktop linux that "just works" and dare I say improves over windows in basically every way.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

Ditched Ubuntu last year for Hannah Montana Linux and haven't looked back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago
[–] ekZepp 9 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I fucking love the “friendship ended” meme. It makes me laugh every time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

It is the gold standard!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Ha, I had the same experience with Debian this week.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What happened with Debian? Just moved to Fedora? I ditched Ubuntu for Debian long ago, tried Fedora but prefer EndeavourOS ("polished Arch") these days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yea no hate, Debian is a fine distro. I've always bounced between Debian and Fedora after abandoning Ubuntu years back but recently I've been using a Redhat based distro at work and got sick of typing dnf when I meant to type apt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You can alias it 😅 (I think, or is the structure of arguments too different? It could probably still be done with regex but I haven't tried aliasing with that complexity...)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Yea but last week I upgraded my laptop storage and decided to go with a fresh install of Fedora.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

Man I used to love Ubuntu. Then snaps...and it broke a lot of things. Now I'm on other oses. But I appreciate what they did to the Debian flavors of distos.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

They work reasonably well, you can update them whenever you want and they are optional. Your Firefox installation won’t suddenly turn into a Flatpak overnight.

This kind of heavy handed management of change is unacceptable. Ubuntu deserves all the bad publicity they’re getting from this.

Then again, change is always hard, so there’s no easy way around this problem. Once canonical has implemented all the major changes they have in mind, Ubuntu could be worth testing again. In the meantime, it’s hard to recommend it to anyone.

Fedora is clearly a safer choice even though it too changes frequently. I used to update my system through the GUI, but over the years, that method became unreliable, and eventually broke completely. I ended up updating through the CLI instead, which isn’t something I can remember to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

i ditched Ubuntu for Void Linux LXDE. Void Linux has runit rather than systemd

This predates snapd

Disclaimer: you have to setup the wifi and enable logind

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

At those times I swear, I have a knack for avoiding problems before they appear.

Some years ago I migrated from Ubuntu to Debian. It was due to something silly, like defaults. Then I got pissed with Debian Stable, went to Testing, got pissed again... and for some reason instead of going back to Ubuntu I gave Mint a try.

Then people started talking about snaps a lot, and I gave them a try in Mint. This was in a potato computer so I could clearly notice how slow they were to start. Nope.

Then Ubuntu started forcing them every where, but by then I could simply say "Not My Problem®". Mint maintainers are clearly against snaps, and I'm happy with it.

Glad to see Õunapuu also found a way to handle the problem by changing distros. I'm too deep into the APT rabbit hole to get used to Fedora, but it seems like a good choice regardless.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I'm in the process of switching from Ubuntu/Mint to Fedora. I'm trying it on my laptop first; if that goes well, I've got 2 others to switch over.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

I dumped Mint for Fedora over upgrade issues. No ragrets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Hey guys, even LXC kinda sorta ditched Ubuntu. The creator gave away his baby LXD to Ubuntu and started supporting Incus instead.

Although i think it was just canonical that he wanted freedom from.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Unity did it for me. Moved to mint, never looked back.

[–] tigerjerusalem -1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Ubuntu is just like Windows now, you have to run a debloater to make it usable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago

The debloater? Debian.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

There is a reason I put arch on my latest computer. I will give it a few months to be sure but I'm thinking of swicthing. details matter so when printing doesn't 'just work' in one program with a print dialog I know snap is not ready for ubuntus target.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As much as I dislike Ubuntu, I wouldn't use Fedora, sponsored by Red Hat, a US company, either. LMDE is the way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

Is not Fedora independent of red hat?

Except for the upstream (or downstream since they are bleeding edge) development, I always assume they are isolated from red hat influence.

[–] BigTrout75 2 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Kubuntu is all I need personally.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I use popOS and never had a problem with snaps. They're not nearly as bad as flatpak. I avoid those like the plague.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 40 minutes ago

Both are rubbish in my experience - both on the development side and installation side. To be honest I don’t love building any of the package formats for Linux, and prefer installing deb/rpm. Old school I guess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Be circa.... Some time in covid