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[–] EvergreenGuru 55 points 6 days ago (5 children)

One thing they leave out of the story was that healthy frogs would jump out.

It was only after the scientist gave the frogs lobotomies that they sat in the pot until they boiled to death. Today doing such an experiment would be highly unethical.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Today, we got digital, surgery-free lobotomies.

Just stare at your phone 24/7 and scroll through an infinite stream of dopamine. Parts of your brain will atrophy. Boom, free lobotomy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Ding ding ding!

The analogy does actual work, just look at average American adult literacy levels.

We're down to 5th grade level comprehension, that's the average as of 2024.

We've been functionally lobotomized by politicians intentionally destroying the public education system, numerous other things.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't get it...my kid is in second grade and apparently reads at a sixth-grade level.

The kid is smart...but is he smarter than most of America?

Actually...probably. I remember a few years ago on mother's day, he saw a pickup truck merging on to the highway with a balloon arch in the bed. He called him out on his dumb idea before he even finished merging, and a couple seconds later, it flew loose.

I bet that guy never lived that down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

When I was in 2nd grade, I'd finish my classwork so quickly, so often, I got assigned to help 5th graders who had trouble reading.

They'd send me and a 5th grader out into the hallway, 5th grader would read from a paper or book outloud, and I'd help them with pronouncing words they didn't know, and explain their meanings.

Your kid probably is significantly smarter than average.

... Something like ~~30~~ EDIT: 21% of Americans are functionally illiterate. They can't read beyond roughly a 2nd grade level. 'Hop on Pop' level reading skills.

Less than 10% of Americans are capable of evaluating two stories in the news about the same event, and contrasting what parts are emphasized, left out, and use general knowledge to evaluate bias.

When I was about to go to college, I was told that anyone who goes to college would need to be capable of that as a prerequisite.

Now, we have many with bachelors degrees or higher that can't even pull that off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That seems incredibly high. Do you meet a lot of people that can’t read there? Because that’s like one in ten people minimum.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You're right about the illiteracy rate, I risremembered it.

Here we go from the horse's mouth:

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literacy-statistics-2024-2025-where-we-are-now

On average, 79% of U.S. adults nationwide are literate in 2024.

21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2024.

54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level (20% are below 5th-grade level).

So, I was correct to say that the average adult American reads at a 5th grade level.

21% are functionally illiterate, not 30%.

Now, do I, personally meet people who can't read beyond a 5th grade level? Have a very limited vocabulary when speaking in person, unable to articulate themselves clearly, often misusing words that don't mean what they think they mean?

Yes. Frequently. All the time.

2 in 10 seems about right to me, comparing the stats to my own experience.

Americans and English speakers outside of America really do not seem to understand that we are fucking stupid compared to basically all the rest of the developed world, G-whatever number, countries.

Most European and other 'First World', developed countries have literacy rates above 99%.

Basically all European countries are over 95%.

China is at about 97%

The US is at 81%.

That is comparable to... Cambodia, Kenya, Algeria, Guatemala.

In my own life, almost every single person I've met online, who speaks English as a second language, speaks it more proficiently, has a wider vocabulary than most Americans I meet or know online or irl.

This is what happens when a country destroys its public education system.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wow. I guess looking back on times I’ve visited the states, I have met a fuck ton of stupid people. And I haven’t been there often. I guess it’s like the whole Irish drinking thing, it sounds like an exaggeration of the truth but the reality is actually worse than you thought.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Oh god do not even get me started on how culturally normalized drunk driving is in the US.

Almost everyone I've ever known in the US has driven drunk or very high maybe once a month or more, for at least a 5 year period of their life, and they will call you an asshole for telling them that's bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Jesus and I thought Alberta was bad haha

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Wait, what? I didn’t know this was an actual experiment that they did. Also giving the frogs LOBOTOMIES first invalidates the whole point of what the results try to imply.

[–] Ultraviolet 1 points 5 days ago

So it's a perfect analogy for conservatives.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago

Today doing such an experiment would be highly unethical.

Keep telling yourself that.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is a myth for the record, a frog will hop out of the pot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Smarter than people.

[–] franklin 5 points 5 days ago

electoral reform and more funding to education and science it's the only way to fix this

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Much like the frogs we are stuck in a situation that we can’t get out of without any way of lowering the heat because we lack thumbs and the pot is too steep to climb out of.

So just enjoy the nice warm water till we boil because we’re all fucked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They stopped trying to slowboil the frogs the minute they threw all the fucking crabs in the bucket.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 1 points 5 days ago

Either way we’ll all die panicked and screaming and I’d rather not do that more than necessary

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

When people say they don't pay attention to news/politics, it just means they're stewing in the hegemonic narrative.

[–] RampantParanoia2365 2 points 5 days ago

Ok, so who is that last frog? Did he jump in after the conversation...?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

"I don't like to talk about this department's history of sexual misconduct or to its previous victims"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Damn, that’s actually pretty deep.