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Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia (www.independent.co.uk)

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Australia has enacted strict anti-hate crime laws, mandating jail sentences for public Nazi salutes and other hate-related offenses.

Punishments range from 12 months for lesser crimes to six years for terrorism-related hate offenses.

The legislation follows a rise in antisemitic attacks, including synagogue vandalism and a foiled bombing plot targeting Jewish Australians.

The law builds on state-level bans, with prior convictions for individuals performing Nazi salutes in public spaces, including at sporting events and courthouses.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I feel like this copypasta is mandatory here:

(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle

I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out."

And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them."

And i was like, ohok and he continues.

"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."

And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.

I first saw this on reddit

Also this idiot performing a nazi salute outside court after just being sentenced, got busted. What a nimrod.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)

“No charges to be laid over alleged Nazi salute made by officer at Victoria Police academy”

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104796744

Cops get to be a little Nazi as a treat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 minutes ago

Yeah. There's not a lot of information there though. Who really knows what happened.

Maybe the police covered it up. Maybe it wasn't a Nazi salute.

This guy was pretty emphatic. I mean there was nothing about how she's a good officer or maybe a misunderstanding or whatever. That was a sincere and direct statement of position and intent to prosecute any offenders.

[–] ZMoney 1 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

The thing is this just makes it "cooler" among the Nazis because now it's illegal. It plays right into their persecution complex. It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court. To me this seems like it's fighting the symptoms and not the underlying problems.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Nonsense.

Courts are good at figuring out what constitutes an illegal action. It's what they're intended to do and what they have been doing since the dawn of civilisation.

I don't really care what Nazis think is "cool".

It's addressing the underlying problem by communicating the seriousness of the threat of fascism to everyone.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya 1 points 16 minutes ago

Judges could have biases of their own whether they realise it or not.

[–] ZMoney 1 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

I hope you're right but I'm less optimistic about courts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 34 minutes ago

Remember that Hersant idiot from a few months back did the salute outside a courthouse.

He was found guilty, judge gave no fucks: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/vic-nazi-salute-jacob-hersant-court/104443118

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

A Nazi/Hitler salut was always illegal in Germany after WW 2 and courts figured it out what counts as a nazi salute and what not (it often comes down to context i guess).

[–] Treczoks 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The thing is this just makes it “cooler” among the Nazis because now it’s illegal.

Only until they are caught.

[–] ZMoney 1 points 49 minutes ago

Then they become martyrs for their group.

[–] IzzyJ 1 points 2 hours ago

It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court> It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court I feel like that part would just be the same way porn is treated, "I [the judge] know it when I see it]

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