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[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Did you know python for loops have an else clause?

Did you also know it runs after the loop iterator is done, and not when there was never anything to iterate over at all?

https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#for

[–] qaz 5 points 18 hours ago

That actually seemed quite useful at first.

[–] Vigge93 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Your point about it not running when there is nothing to iterate over is incorrect. The else-statement runs when the iterator is exhausted; if the iterator empty, it is exhausted immediately and the else-statement is executed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's intended as "not only when" because it would make sense to have an "if empty" case but the way it is, it doesn't make sense

[–] Vigge93 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I think it does make sense, it's a "did this loop exit naturally? If so, do x". This makes a lot of sense if you, for example, have a loop that checks a condition and breaks if that condition is met, e.g. finding the next item in a list. This allows for the else statement to set some default value to indicate that no match was found.

Imo, the feature can be very useful under certain circumstances, but the syntax is very confusing, and thus it's almost never a good idea to actually use it in code, since it decreases readability a lot for people not intimately familiar with the language.

Edit: Now, this is just guessing, but what I assume happens under the hood is that the else statement is executed when the StopIteration exception is recieved, which happens when next() is called on an exhausted iterator (either empty or fully consumed)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

10 print "All Work, No Play"

20 goto 10

30 end

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Through the magic of make, you can write code that changes if statements to while loops then changes it back after compilation passes or fails.

I only give good advice.

[–] aMockTie 23 points 1 day ago
[–] 7uWqKj 6 points 1 day ago

#define if while // 🤪

[–] marcos 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
int main() {
    useless:
    int x = 10;
    if (1) {
        goto useless;
    }
}
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

This is the real way!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

Yea, I saw C style and was disappointed when it didn't abuse gotos.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] aMockTie 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Statements that start with # in C/C++ are known as preprocessor directives, that is, they are executed before compilation begins. OP has used a #define which will replace any instance of A (IF(x)) with B (while (x)) in the code.

So the IF statement is really just a while statement.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But what is it in reference to? What's the "infamous if loop"?

[–] aMockTie 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah, I believe that would be this image from a college course.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I always wondered why I always had a hard time making developers not call "if" a "loop".
Turns out it was on their tests.

Glad I didn't read my college material, or I would have lost faith in my college professors.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

It just occurred to that in Yorkshire dialect a while loop would actually be an until loop. Directives to the rescue!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

"Infamous" just refers to newbies who sometimes call if statements "if loops". I've heard this quite a bit.

[–] AliasVortex 1 points 1 day ago

Infamous because the condition is 1 (or true), the loop never actually exits because it's always true

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

i have a colleague always saying if loop (in our language). I'm a bit to shy to tell him his mistakes... People easily hate me but i would like to...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

int* ihadatonepointforgottenaboutpoundefinesyoubastard {};