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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I've tried a ton, and DeltaChat came close, but there is no edit option for messages, since under the hood, it uses email. The apps on both iPhone and Android also had issues with notifications. I convinced a few family members and friends to use it and then had to convince them again to move to Signal. Lost a few of them in the process.

The point of my story is to say... If you think you'll have a hard time convincing people to get off WhatsApp/Texting, just go to Signal. It is much more mainstream and at least it isn't Facebook.

[–] phillycodehound 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Never heard of DeltaChat why not signal??

[–] amzd -4 points 2 hours ago

Because Signal is not decentralized nor anonymous

[–] MITM0 2 points 2 hours ago

Basically it's an Open source Whatsapp, but you use Email, instead of a phone number

[–] gi1242 5 points 4 hours ago

so I found it interesting and checked it out. the protocol is all well and good but the problem is social. I'm simply not going to send people my delta chat Id and ask them to message me there instead if they have delta chat installed. I had the same problem with session messenger.

when I meet someone irl I'm trading phone numbers. not asking if they have app X installed.

this might be useful for open source projects where you can use ur delta chat id instead of ur email. but it's not something I would use unless it's a requirement to join some community I wanted to.

the problem signal solves by tieing accounts to your phone number is contact discovery. thanks to user IDs you no longer have to share your phone number with people u want to chat with, and can only share your user id

plus signal guarantees the metadata is encrypted. is the same true for delta chat?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Did anyone tell the WhatsApp users?

[–] Konstant 11 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

How can we tell them if we aren't in Whatsapp?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Join obv. 😜

[–] autonomoususer 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Try meeting more people.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Frankly it's the first time I hear about Delta chat

[–] [email protected] 110 points 10 hours ago (38 children)

I get that WhatsApp is not a platform to use if you care about your privacy, but WTF is "Delta Chat" and why would I switch to it rather than say Signal?

[–] perfectly_boiled_pizza 34 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I agree that Signal is nice, but I think the point here is that Delta Chat is decentralized

[–] Humanius 58 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Imo it's already difficult enough to convince friends and family to use Signal. Delta Chat would be even more difficult to pull off.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

As I've understood, Delta chat is based on the IMAP protocol and uses the infrastructure of your email provider. Thus, it uses no own server infrastructure, but has the also the downsides of the protocol and some issues with many email providers.

Wikipedia.de - Delta Chat (no English version available yet)

[–] JubilantJaguar 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

some issues with many email providers

This turned out to be the deal-breaker for me. GMX kept locking me out of my account because of the DeltaChat messages. They're (of course) full of cyphertext and to email providers this must look a look like spam.

The open-to-abuse nature of email claims yet another victim.

[–] anyhow2503 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

On the other hand, GMX (and web.de) is a notoriously bad influence on email communication and will randomly block mailservers if they feel like it while flooding all of their own users with spam. The world would be a better place without 1&1 / united internet.

[–] JubilantJaguar 1 points 1 hour ago

But it's a free Europe-based provider that's not US big tech. A better suggestion?

To be clear, I use a paid service (Mailbox.org) for my main email, as everyone should do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Right, they don't support the advanced login protocols some providers like outlook require. That was a deal breaker, because deltachat was pretty much the last encrypted messaging service which worked in China.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (15 children)

Doesn't delta use email under the hood, an insecure protocol?

You're better off using something like Matrix, XMPP, SimpleX or Signal.

[–] Brewchin 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Email? So its just encrypted SMS?

Might come down to the metadata, then, like SFTP vs FTPES or GET vs POST.

[–] TrickDacy 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sms and email are not remotely the same

[–] Brewchin 0 points 1 hour ago

I've worked with both in my career. Tell me more...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I guess so. It's encrypted data sent over email from what i understand. Tbf i'd rather trust software built with protocols specifically built for secure and private messaging, and email is known to not be that.

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