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Proton's very biased article on Deepseek (lemmy.ml)
submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/technology
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Article: https://proton.me/blog/deepseek

Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] UnsavoryMollusk 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

DeepSeek is open source, meaning you can modify code[...] on your own app to create an independent — and more secure — version. However, using DeepSeek in its current form — as it exists today, hosted in China — comes with serious risks for anyone concerned about their most sensitive, private information.

They are not wrong here.

After having read the article fully it doesn't seem to be that partial and acknowledge also the failing of others. It is not as stupid as the CEO stance on "Republicans helping the little guys" for sure.

[–] Deway 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But that's also true for American companies.

As a European, I trust them as much as I trust Chinese ones.

[–] UnsavoryMollusk 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ho yeah but they are definitely not ignoring that in the article. It's just that they are talking mostly about the subject of the article which is: deepseek

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

The problem with any kind of journalism like this though is that it talks about the topic of the article, sure, but it doesn't acknowledge the other relevant parties that have most of all the same concerns.

It's a matter of framing for the situation. I'd rather read something that talks about both sides instead of just one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Wait. Protons CEO is conservative?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He's been kissing the ring on social media like the others IIRC

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Damn I switched to proton last year and am NOT migrating again.

I thought it was based in the EU. Why does he care about the US at all?

[–] Vinstaal0 8 points 6 days ago

Just because you can (pretty easily) self host it doesn’t mean that the privacy concerns aren’t valid.

[–] douglasg14b 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Except you can't run it.

Every model You are downloading and running is simply just a checkpoint of llama....

Quit spreading that misinformation.

You, and the grand majority of everyone else, doesn't have anywhere near the hardware to run the actual full deepseek model

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I run one a of the smaller model on an M1 max and it's working pretty good. Much better than I would jave thought. Some guys on youtube manage to get the 600b parameters models to run on sub 5k hardware. It's a total game changer. In a couple of years it will probably run loccaly on phones.

[–] douglasg14b 7 points 6 days ago

Lemmy users very biased link to article that isn't nearly as biased as they are purposefully biasing.

Maybe this community needs stricter posting guidelines to avoid this sort of drivel?

[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate AI but on the other hand I love how Deepseek is causing AI companies to lose billions.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The desperate PR campaign against deepseek is also very entertaining.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (15 children)

DeepSeek is open source, but is it safe?

These guys are in the open source business themselves, they should know the answer to this question.

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[–] firadin 54 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Unsurprising that a right-wing Trump supporting company is now attacking a tech that poses an existential threat to the fascist-leaning tech companies that are all in on AI.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Proton has always been sketchy - and I caught flak for it countless times, especially here. But: A company claiming they are "private' and "secure" because they operate under Swiss privacy laws is already sketchy from the beginning. Why? Because Swiss privacy laws suck,are the worst in Europe and Switzerland is a country known for multiple cases of major intelligence agency overreach - especially towards foreigners and cross-border traffic.

Legally the Swiss intelligence services can order any "service provider" (that includes proton) to provide them access to traffic coming from foreign countries - this also includes the mandate to provide "technical means", which is often seen as backdoors. And to make things better the service providers are not allowed to talk about it.

This alone is a problem. In Protons case what makes matters even worse is the fact that they are an US company de facto operating from the US and therefore are bound by the homeland security act and similar legislation.

So in the end both the Swiss and US services might read your data.

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[–] MushuChupacabra 40 points 1 week ago

Proton working overtime to discourage me from renewing.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I don’t think they are that biased. They say in the article that ai models from all the leading companies are not private and shouldn’t be trusted with your data. The article is focusing on Deepseek given that’s the new big thing. Of course, since it’s controlled by China that makes data privacy even less of a thing that can be trusted.

Should we trust Deepseek? No. Should we trust OpenAI? No. Should we trust anything that is not developed by an open community? No.

I don’t think Proton is biased, they are explaining the risks with Deepseek specifically and mention how Ai’s aren’t much better. The article is not titled “Deepseek vs OpenAI” or anything like that. I don’t get why people bag on proton when they are the biggest privacy focused player that could (almost) replace google for most people!

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