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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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(Minor) Post asking for feedback on potential slowness on LW (where 36% of the Lemmy users are located) is removed from [email protected] as a "support question" (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Okay, this is definitely a minor case, but probably still worth reporting.

Modlog is here, 17 hours ago: https://lemmy.world/modlog/3106

Link to the post content reposted on [email protected]: https://lemmyverse.link/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36299751

That question is useful for most of the people, as LW hosts 36% of the users base, and most of the active communities (https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active). Removing it as a support question seems questionable.

The most curious thing is that I investigated a bit, as LW still allows to show which mod performed which action (that how things worked in 0.19.3), and that removal has been performed by a mod that literally hasn't performed any action in 6 months: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=45389

Not wanting to put a tinfoil hat, but it's still curious to me that that specific mod came out from a 5-months inactivity just to remove that one post highlighting potential issues with LW.

What do you all think?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

[email protected] would be the place to ask, moderator is simply applying the community rules.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

The [email protected] post got some good traction, I might post on [email protected] but the activity and subscribers numbers there is much lower than [email protected] or [email protected] so I guess the fediverse post will get most of the feedback.

Also, people who left LW aren't probably going to show up on the LW support community.

[–] slazer2au 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The mod isn't wrong, that should be in a support community not the ask community.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 days ago

The issue with the support community is that you wouldn't get feedback from people who left LW due to this (and there are a few examples in the comments).

The fact that it's still up on [email protected] shows that it addresses a larger point than just "my instance is slow"

[–] PugJesus 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Rule 5:

It is not a place for ‘how do I?’, type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email [email protected]. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.

I don't know, I can see how that can fall under 'regarding the site itself'. Don't know that you 'deserved' it, but I also don't think that I'd regard the removal as power-tripping. It's an edge case, and it seems a bit excessive to accuse the mod of power-tripping over it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago

It's not an "how do I", as I wasn't experiencing the slowness myself, I was looking for feedback from LW users. And the best place to get that is probably the [email protected] community.

It’s an edge case, and it seems a bit excessive to accuse the mod of power-tripping over it.

I agree it's minor, I'll add that in the OP.

[–] lemonmelon 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

YDI - they've made it clear that the community you posted in isn't the place for that sort of question. Argue that it rides the line if you like, but they deem it a violation of their rules. Support would have been the right channel, and then it's up to the instance admins to handle it from there. That includes further clarifying questions to the users who may be experiencing these slowdowns, a group that you're admittedly not a part of.

[–] glimse 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's YDI the Lemmy version of YTA? You Da Idiot

[–] lemonmelon 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In this community it stands for "You Deserved It", indicating that the mod action in question was justified.

[–] glimse 3 points 4 days ago

Someone (me) needs to learn to read the Community Info! IDI!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

CLM. It's not a support issue really, although perhaps their more technical admins keep an eye on that community so that could have been the reason? If they genuinely can't keep up with the technical demands of running a large instance then it's important to acknowledge that. Spreading the load across multiple smaller instances, as the fediverse was intended to work, might be a good way of addressing the issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

PTB

I don't get how everybody is coming in here saying it breaks the rules and belongs in support, this is not a support question, it's simply asking if others users have the same experience, or to share their own, that by definition is not support, it's feedback.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think mods get tired of having to deal with shit, and so anything that remotely resembles what they've removed in the past gets classified as similar.

Also many users (not mods) are rule lawyers and love to spam the report button and that can influence things as well. Like if nobody had reported this perhaps it would have stayed but then when someone did...

Ultimately this has all the earmarks that it might be a PTB, yet it does seem arguable that the mod could have been simply overeager and not paying close attention, so potentially a CLM? (Which itself is simply another form of an unintentional and low-grade PTB?)

Edit: in all likelihood, we here are putting in far more effort thinking this situation over than the mod in question did:-P.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Apologies if this isn't the place for it but I feel it's relevant to the OP-

I've been messing with WG off and on for months trying to sort out why it is that L.W won't stay synced to all of our communities simultaneously. Nothing we've tried has ever worked for very long.

If L.W picks up posts from WG like it's supposed to their comments/votes/etc don't show up to WG until a day later, sometimes longer. Some of our communities update over there nearly instantly, others take awhile or have to be manually pulled over. Given that they are using an older version of Lemmy and have features in place that don't match the rest of Lemmy it's hard to know where the problem really lies. There isn't much left to try on our end.

At this point there isn't much we can do besides continuing to tune the database settings until something sticks or holding out hope that everything magically works again when L.W finally updates to a newer Lemmy build.

If others are having trouble too that seems like even more reason to continue to spread out across the fediverse instead of concentrating on a few large instances. As I've said before I don't believe this is what the owners/admins/mods of L.W want. The longer time goes on the more it seems like they are actively working to hide their problems to keep a stranglehold on users.

[–] A_A 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The longer time goes on the more it seems like they are actively working to hide their problems to keep a stranglehold on users.

L.W admins are not profiting, they work for very little money, as i understand. They have troubles with the site and have been considering to drop it a few months ago.

My guess is that the protocol is heavy and since they have the largest instance there are bottlenecks.
c.c. : @[email protected]

[–] Rooki 7 points 4 days ago

We had never the intention to drop the website. We do not profit at all ( only if you "profit" from online shame and harassment ). I even donate myself to the platform and ocasionally to other open source federated software.

We all are human and arent perfect and cant track everything and all things. Lemmy devs ocasionally ignore us because "big instance bad" and the instability in their recent releases and lack of testing LW is 5 or 6 versions now back? Because we dont want to rush and if we make a wrong step with upgrading it causes a blackout on lemmy. Additionally we have some tweaks that we want to backport when we upgrade, that moderation doesnt get hurt by upgrading.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago

L.W admins are not profiting, they work for very little money, as i understand.

This is every instance admin though. They don't get a pass because they have a shitload of users. If anything the responsibility is even greater as one of the "flagship" instances. If they are unable to handle it then something needs to change.

They have troubles with the site and have been considering to drop it a few months ago.

I'm not really concerned with what the "official" excuses are as I find L.W staff to be untrustworthy. I haven't seen them talk about shutting L.W down but that sounds like a scare tactic to me. My personal opinion is that the fediverse doesn't need large instances in the first place though so I am obviously biased here.

My guess is that the protocol is heavy and since they have the largest instance there are bottlenecks.

Lemmy is a giant database that throws tantrums the more you add to it. As L.W is huge in terms of users and communities, I'm sure the demands on their hardware are very real. That doesn't change the fact that it isn't working correctly and sweeping genuine/good faith questions under the rug serves no purpose besides deception and ego protection.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

@[email protected] FYI

[–] A_A 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

also i confirm that mod is inactive since 5 months:
(@ Sean) https://lemmy.world/u/beefbaby182

[–] A_A 0 points 4 days ago

i would put at least one tin foil hat ... maybe two 😁 Thanks for keeping me informed, i am still interested.