I really hope Proton 10 will have some sort of Wayland support, even if it would be hidden behind an environmental variable
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We also need a native Wayland client for Steam, though it's tied to Chromium Embedded Framework's native Wayland support. Probably it will come with Electron's support. No idea when.
Could you elaborate on the advantages, I'm using wayland and steam for games, no issues so far.
HDR support
Doesn't valve already use gamescope (Wayland compositor) with HDR support? And KDE?
Yes, but it's a hack, when it's properly implemented you won't need gamescope and it won't have to be fullscreen as far as i'm aware, although i could be wrong about the fullscreen thing.
Ah, I guess the HDR support in Wayland is still exposed via an "experimental" interface. But it looks like a handful of Wayland compositors support it, including wlroots which a bunch of smaller compositors are based off of.
Even with support from the compositor, you need support for it in every part of the graphics pipeline.
Currently you can either use Wine with Wayland + Vulkan layers + KDE or gamescope + KDE (or gamescope directly in TTY).
wlroots doesn’t support HDR.
Ooo, the MR it links to is 10mo old and still open.
It'll be more performant, lower latency, have proper HDR support (current method is a hack), scale properly based on your displays, and probably be generally less buggy long-term (probably more buggy when it first gets added since it's a pretty fundamental change).
You're currently using a compatibility layer called xwayland to run it, which adds a ton of cruft.
Fractional scaling
xwayland*
I really hope Proton would stop running a container. It makes running additional programs harder (opentrack for example) and our computers less ours
No way. Containers are absolutely necessary to provide reliability across a wide range of distros and to keep games working in the future.
It makes running additional programs harder (opentrack for example)
Then we need better tooling and documentation to interact with the container, not to get rid of them. I don't see any technical limitation that would prevent your use case. It's just not implemented or maybe simply undocumented.
our computers less ours
How so? The end result is probably the opposite. Without the containers Steam would be less reliable on unsupported distros, which might mean your only choice would be to use Ubuntu LTS. That would be a much bigger loss of control.
That's more or less it. Linux Torvalds hates the different package managers and dependencies in different dists and versions of dists. He claims it's virtually impossible to ship products that just run on some random dist and cites his own sideproject which is a sea diving app where he builds binaries for Mac OSX and Windows but can't for Linux. He also praises Valve for using containers.
In theory it means slightly larger binaries, but the flipside it means Steam for Linux runs on a lot more dists, and so do the games and it's far easier to test they actually run.
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Containers are good for a number of reasons, and definitely will not and should not be going away, instead use one of these tools to bypass it:
It's a real hassle for running headtracking. And once they take away the possibility to run xterm instead, we won't even be able to take a look inside
I'll take a look at protonhax, thanks. But I'm afraid that will still require to run opentrack twice
Does it? What containerization does it use? I thought it was similar to wine, just a process pointed at a windows exe, and an environment to make the app think it's running in a windows filesystem.
It's a custom solution called pressure-vessel, which seems to be based on flatpak. You can read about it here. This is used to create a reproducible linux environment and has nothing to do with the windows translation layer. They run wine (proton) inside the container as you would expect.
There is a recent effort to port this solution outside of steam in the form of umu. As far as I know it's in a working state but I don't know if it's at feature parity with steam, especially on the game-specific fixes front. The end goal is to be a universal launcher that can be used from all frontends, so that all windows games run reliably and identically regardless of which GUI you use to manage your games.
EDIT: welp, I just now noticed this info has already been posted by another user 🤷
Yes it does.
https://gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/steam-runtime-tools/-/blob/main/docs/container-runtime.md
I believe there is a project to add a Steam independent version of it to Bottles, Lutris, and other proton guis.
Ahh, I always wondered what "pressure-vessel" was. Thanks for the resources.
Something internal. In order to run a third party app with access to the process (like headtracking), the only way I've found out to achieve that was to download a windows version of opentrack too and run it twice. One on Linux side, one inside the container and make them talk to each other via UDP
Wow, I'm impressed you actually got that working. Sounds like quite a hack.
Imho, linking to GitLab (source) is the best way to share on Lemmy. I see news about the Wine 10 release all day, and these are not shown as crossposts due to different links. Here are some other crossposts:
Thought this was a satire until I realised that Wine is a linux application
The bottle thumbnail doesn't help either. lol
What is Wine anyway? All I can work out is that it definitely is not an emulator... (probably it's a fermented drink made from grapes, but implemented in Linux.)
It's a translator. Takes commands that are meant for windows to understand, and translates them into something Linux can work with. If the program requires the services of the kernel, for instance, it makes its system call as usual but the call gets converted to a command for the Linux kernel. At the end of the day it's the Linux kernel doing the work that was aimed at the windows kernel, and there is no windows kernel anywhere at all. That's unlike an emulator where you'd be running the windows kernel inside your Linux environment.
Wine also creates a windows-looking file structure so that programs can find the stuff they're looking for where they expect them to be. Like, it creates a "program files" directory somewhere in your filesystem and tells the windows applications to look there if they need to. There's more to it, but you get the gist I hope.
In a way, wine extends your Linux environment to support windows stuff. Whereas an emulator would create a new windows environment entirely. The goal is not to trick software into thinking it's on a windows machine, it's to make it work on Linux. The difference there is that by making it work on Linux you can make it work together and share resources with the rest of the system instead of remaining isolated in its own emulated environment.
I think the above was a light-hearted joke. Your answer might be useful for newbies, though
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I can't fathom the use of Wine on Linux, clearly Tux has always had a Beer belly
Dvorak at last
By better hidpi support, does this mean that those "windows" specific windows that launch sometimes when I do things wine related will actually have a normal size on my 4k monitor instead of being microscopic?
🤩hope I can play cyberpunk in wayland now
Huh I've been playing Cyberpunk in wayland all along. Hope you get to play too and that the issue wasn't something else!
Maybe it is just too much time since I last played or with proton on wayland, it just takes that bit more power, so that my good ol 980 isn’t handeling it well 🤔
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