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[–] testfactor 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Well, the TikTok lawyers kinda said the quiet part out loud during their SCOTUS brief:

Mr. Francisco contended that the government in a free country “has no valid interest in preventing foreign propaganda” and cannot constitutionally try to keep Americans from being “persuaded by Chinese misinformation.” That is targeting the content of speech, which the First Amendment does not permit, he said.

It's not a great look for your app when your argument before the Supreme Court is "yeah, we're a propaganda machine for a hostile foreign power, but free speech says you can't stop us. Neener neener."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

that’s not what they’re saying, they’re saying even if they were chinese propaganda, it would be protected under the first amendment for americans to read what they want and make their own decisions….

but, nice 4th grader logic you got there.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

$5 says Elon or Meta buy TT and turn it into yet another GOP echo chamber.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

You seem to think that it is for sale, Byte Dance has repeatedly said they will not sell. I also belive the PRC passed a law that would outlaw exporting the algorithom to the new owner

[–] Dupree878 10 points 4 hours ago

Just something to think about when it comes to the influence social media has on society

TikTok has already transformed how Americans communicate, influencing language and behavior in ways that may have broader implications. The Chinese government, known for using censorship and language control to maintain social order and suppress dissent, leverages euphemistic language as a tool for manipulating public opinion and silencing critical discourse.

Phrases like “unalive” for suicide or “grape” for rape dilute the meaning and impact of language, making it easier for powerful entities to control narratives and obscure uncomfortable truths. This process, known as “language laundering” or “semantic bleaching,” strips words of their emotional weight and original meaning, making it harder to address sensitive or urgent issues effectively.

This trend has extended beyond language to visuals, with people obscuring letters or censoring words in pictures and posts—using terms like “s**cide” or “r*pe.” While this may help users navigate algorithms designed to suppress certain keywords, it completely erodes the clarity and impact of critical conversations.

The normalization of this behavior on TikTok has permeated Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, and other social media platforms, spreading a culture of diluted language and indirect communication. These practices hinder meaningful discourse, desensitize users to serious issues, and ultimately make it more challenging to engage with sensitive topics in a direct and effective manner. Recognizing and resisting this shift is essential to preserving the integrity of public discussions and fostering authentic engagement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Because he paid for his influence while China is not. They are “stealing data” they have not paid for and are competing with the NSA/FBI/CIA without sharing.

[–] finitebanjo 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

It doesn't have to be our biggest problem for us to want to fix it. We can fix other problems as they come.

Also, server location. If TikTok reorganized in the USA it wouldn't be banned, they know that and still chose to go under.

[–] alekwithak 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Tiktok is owned by Oracle in the US and has servers in Virgina and California.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

America bad ooga booga. Really they both should be banned lol. Like yall slinging shit at each other when they both should be gone. Great use of energy Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, if that’s the question you want answered…

X uses a native browser controller when you open a link, so the app can’t see what you do in there.

Whereas TikTok uses a managed webview… which they have been caught injecting keyloggers into.

Back in the olden days, we called this a cross-site scripting attack.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Seems like meta were trying something similar with thier replacing all links in Facebook messenger with thier fbrpc://facebook/nativethirdparty?app_id Links, but seems like they gave up on it because it was all broken.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. They’re all dangerous monsters.

IMO, it doesn’t even matter who’s worse, cuz they’re all bad enough they should all be subject to aggressive regulation with the goal of establishing safe interop off-ramps for people to stop using the services or at least use more trustworthy clients.

In my estimation, TikTok is worse, but that’s not even what the ban is about. It’s because China is spying instead of the US. That’s not a reason to defend TikTok though, or to oppose the government’s decision — cuz they were accidentally right, for the wrong reason.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

That's where I'm at. If in an alternate universe Congress did something like banning the distribution of harvested data, even just to foreign entities, and TikTok then refused to comply, then I'd be fully in support with them getting banned for it.

Here in the real world though, Congress apparently doesn't have the balls to pass blanket privacy rights like that, because you see, that'd catch some of the wrong fish. I think it says a lot about the state of modern social media that all they were willing to go after TikTok for was something as nebulous as "national security risk".

[–] Pacattack57 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This was never about national security. It’s about money. Most of congress owns Meta stock and meta lobbied the fuck out of trying to get the app banned. It’s extremely annoying that people buy this crap about national security.

Ask yourself when in the history of our country did 85% of congress agree on something? 85% of these fuckwads agreed that banning this app is more important than literally anything else. Stopping school shooting, fixing our economy, providing affordable healthcare or housing, are all not important.

[–] spankmonkey 11 points 6 hours ago

Ask yourself when in the history of our country did 85% of congress agree on something?

Patriot Act and other government spying laws of course.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 hours ago (13 children)

Tiktok aren't giving Trump loads of money

[–] finitebanjo 2 points 4 hours ago

Trump made saving TikTok a campaign promise.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

They are all problematic. My disagreement with the removal of TikTok is that it should not stop with TikTok. Meta's apps are an absolute nightmare. Google, Xitter, Amazon, etc., they all need to be curbed when it comes to data collection.

Data brokering needs to be made illegal or VERY tightly regulated.

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[–] [email protected] 199 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (7 children)

They are both security risks. The difference is the SA oligarch has already successfully infiltrated our national security and installed himself in a position of power so we can't do anything about it anymore.

Honestly the way he did it was pretty perfect. Create technology and weapons and R&D for the country you want to infiltrate, ingratiate yourself to it's people, government, and military. Then start throwing money into politics to buy yourself a spot on the cabinet.

This is a game any bad state actor with a huge wad of cash can play thanks to Citizen's United.

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[–] gmtom 20 points 10 hours ago (12 children)

Serious answer: because it's owned by a US citizen and is operated and HQ'd in the US, so the the US government has effectively full control over it and can monitor it.

That's not a lot better from an end user privacy and security point. But is wayyyyyyyyyy better from a national security standpoint.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Same reason China wants it.

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[–] mechoman444 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

He's not Chinese.

Or so he says.

[–] finitebanjo 3 points 4 hours ago

More specifically, he isn't sending all of the data to servers in China.

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