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Antiwork

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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (48 children)

The main problem is that people who feel trapped don't have the financial stability to go without income for any period of time, which greatly limits the ability to find a new job.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's also why voter turnout is so low, at least here in the US.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] FlashMobOfOne 7 points 1 year ago

Yup, and why we'll never see a meaningful increase of the minimum wage.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Not to mention healthcare.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Some assholes think that it's very easy for every human being to just go out and find a new job. Just like that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not every human, just the ones with economic value.

We should seriously discuss how our society should treat the rest.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's always been hard for me to find a job

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[–] FlyingSquid 44 points 1 year ago (83 children)

I like "just start your own business!" I had a small business that did well enough that I was able to run it for 10 years and only stopped out of choice. I now have a relatively low-paying job with someone else and I am more financially secure now than I was during any of those 10 years.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet when the writer's guild and sag aftra went on strike they all decided to wait until people started losing their homes.

Ghouls. All of them

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I kind of feel like both are true.

The threat of starvation and homelessness is a pretty strong coercion to keep working at all...

...but nobody's really stopping you from job-hunting if you really hate this particular job rather than the concept of having a job at all.

I'm not going to sit here and be like "just go back to school, get certifications, blah blah blah" because seriously fuck that. You and whose fuckin' Time Turner?

That said, even looking for a less-awful workplace doing the same thing you're already doing could be an improvement in your overall mental health and life situation. A small step, maybe, but I know from myself and people around me that it can be a step.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

You need to be very certain though. What if the new job doesn't work out and they decide 6 months later they don't need you after all? Having a job, as shitty as it might be, is stability. Changing a system always comes with risks.

(Never mind that a different job needs to even be available without moving your whole life elsewhere)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That feels like a musical chairs approach to this issue, where people who find a good job are lucky and sit in that and the rest shuffle between the shitty job leftovers. I recently found a decent job and it‘s only cause the guy retired after 30 years. Now I can only hope they will keep me on, or else I get to participate in that awful game again. Or maybe it will turn shitty for some other reason, like how there is no raises and my rent keeps going up anyway.

We even got unions in my country, and still we ended up like this where a lot of people switch jobs every few years to try and keep up with inflation. I’m not saying don’t take that step though. Sorry, I got no point I think? Just a rant your comment inspired in me.

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[–] hairinmybellybutt 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Come live in France.

You get a little bit of welfare, enough for rent and food. Highly recommended.

[–] Agent641 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read that to the tune of Mambo No 5

[–] Kinyutaka 16 points 1 year ago

You get a bit of welfare, 'nuf for rent 🎵 A little bit of food, I recommend 🎶 A little bit of health care, for your life 🎵 And a little bit of family time, for your wife 🎶

[–] closedmouthsdonteat 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Moc 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the bi-annual mass protest!

[–] Shardikprime 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You also get:

  • a population with an increasingly large number of older people

-a relatively higher tax rate

-a pension program which is unsustainable needing a new retirement age of 65 to 67

-A country where mid career change is difficult

-stratospheric chronic unemployment rate

-a lifetime-employment system which translates to a large permanently-jobless population that's just generally pissed

-and employment being somewhat elite

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[–] Pillarist 11 points 1 year ago

"If the pickings are slim, they'll appreciate what little they get."

[–] TvanBuuren 6 points 1 year ago

My stomach forces me. So does my pride. And my wife.

[–] Nevoic 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.

Edit: this response was part of a chain, but I posted it when lemmy.world was having issues and I think my lemmy client couldn't find the comment it was responding to, so it just posted it at the top level, here's the chain for context: https://lemmy.world/comment/1973311

Capitalism is an ideology, you have a very weird relationship with definitions, first denying what scalping is and now denying what an ideology is. I don't know why you choose to live in a world where you just make up your own definitions, but it makes it harder to communicate.

Demand outstrips supply absolutely, and yeah if we built an infinite number of houses we'd have a fine supply, but also if we didn't have 16 million vacant homes we'd also have a fine supply. We currently have more vacant housing units than homeless people (by a factor of ~30), and capitalists are purposefully restricting supply to increase cost.

I don't know why you choose to live in a world where there is only one possible solution to the housing crisis. I've already said building more would obviously help supply, I don't know why you're so ideologically motivated that you can't admit that putting literally millions of housing units on the market would also help supply. You seem to have an inability to even consider that capitalism could have any problems. That's the epitome of an ideologue.

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