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Mikey Shulman, CEO of AI music generation startup Suno, actually thinks people don’t enjoy making music anymore. “It’s not really enjoyable to make music now,” according to him.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

I have been pointing out for many years now that humans have been making music together ever since they could bang rocks together and grunt. Every single society in the history of humankind does this.

But a strange thing happened in North America in the early 1900s. People started listening to recorded music, deferring to professionals instead of making music themselves. People started to become embarrassed if they weren't perfect, and you started hearing people say, "I can't sing". And then they didn't sing.

I was at an international gathering, and people from different organizations started singing their countries traditional songs to each other. The Germans did. The Danes did. The Brits did. When it came to the Canadians, we had no idea what to do, because none of us were used to making music.

My feeling is that the decline in making music together, whether it be around a kitchen table, in a bar, or in a concert hall, is one of the reasons that people in North America especially feel isolated and lonely.

That's why I encourage everyone to join a choir, pick up an instrument, and just make music no matter how little it sounds like what you hear on a CD or radio (or Spotify). It's not the quality of the music that matters, it's the action of collaborating with others to do it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

Actually, yeah, you highlight a very important point

Were effectively ceding parts of our humanities to commercialization/capitalism, and then subconsciously not allowing ourselves to participate in those things anymore, eroding our humanness

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Regarding your second paragraph: I think about that so much these days.

You didn't miss once with this take.

[–] adam_y 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The fun part of being an artist isn't in having made something.

It's a mistake non-arists often make.

The fun part is the exploration and the discovery. The willing of something new into existence. The learning and experiencing.

You make for yourself first, not an audience.

These techbros are not artists. That's why they think you should just jump to the end product.

[–] teft 3 points 10 hours ago

For me the fun part is the frisson I get from a moving piece of music. Playing music and just listening to it are completely different.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago

It’s not really enjoyable to make music now

LOL reminds me of when american ISPs were trying to convince everyone, anyone that "we don't provide gigabit internet across the board because americans don't want it"

[–] Sanctus 11 points 22 hours ago

Dude has never made a banger in his life and he announced it to everyone with that statement.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago

I love making music. Isn’t any good? Honestly, probably not, but I enjoy making it more than I enjoy listening to my creations. I like the process. It makes me feel like I’m communicating with the music actively compared to the passivity of listening.

[–] alexc 8 points 23 hours ago

And yet, there is more music created than ever before…

I’d love to know what his sources are as I have never heard anyone say that

[–] DirkMcCallahan 7 points 23 hours ago

Anyone who doesn't enjoy music shouldn't be making music.

And anyone who thinks that it's impossible to enjoy making music should have nothing to do with any sort of music business. In an ideal world, anyway.

Capitalism, everyone!

[–] SGG 6 points 22 hours ago

The problem is the masses probably don't care how it's made. Think the chicken nugget display Jamie Oliver did to a bunch of kids. He tried to show them how disgusting it was, but the kids all wanted them anyway.

[–] SacredHeartAttack 7 points 23 hours ago

I saw a react to this interview. This guy is so out of touch with any actual reality. He probably had trouble playing a g chord on his dad’s guitar in middle school, got laughed at and decided to make sure musicians would die out. Fuck this guy.