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[–] Lootboblin 2 points 37 minutes ago

and if somebody wants to know where that character is from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomins

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

Okedoke, well I just learned that I have no concrete grasp of political labels and need to do a LOT of research.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Extreme simplification:

Liberalism: supports capitalism. Current system + tweaks

Leftism: supports anticapitalism of some form, the two biggest umbrellas being Marxism/Communism and Anarchism

Marxism/Communism: supports collectivization, public ownership, and central planning (I have an introductory reading list if you want to learn more, or just read Principles of Communism)

Anarchism: supports full horizontalism and networks of communes

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for the reading list! I'll take a gander :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 53 minutes ago

No problem!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry to say I'm a self aware liberal capitalist. I must say I love to consoom (with some moderation)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 48 minutes ago

You can still get goods and services in Socialism and Communism, I don't know what you mean by "consooming."

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[–] LovableSidekick 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

We're the People's Front of Judea, not the FUCKING Judean People's Front!

[–] melisdrawing 2 points 8 hours ago
[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Near as I can tell, a leftist would do anything to keep a liberal out of power over believing only 75% of the same things as them, and allow the right to take control, but at least they get to keep the moral high ground of not allowing a liberal to do that 25%. Never mind that the right actively opposed everything to leftist wants completely.

[–] bouh 2 points 25 minutes ago

You know, if leberals wanted the support of the leftists, they try something called compromises. But the only compromises they're ready to do is with the fascists unfortunately, which the leftists will never support.

So no, the leftists didn't refuse to make compromises. The liberals did, with the left, because they actually accepted all the compromises with the fascists. And act now surprised that fascism is taking over.

Liberals are spoiled children incapable of taking accountability for their actions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

When discussing liberalism in the context of liberalism vs Leftism, they are faily opposite. Liberalism desires Capitalism, perhaps with some tweaks or larger safety nets, while leftists seek to end Capitalism and pursue Socialism of some form. This isn't "75%" of the same views at all, liberalism is fundamentally entirely incompatible with Leftism just like fascism is incompatible with leftism.

Additionally, in the West, Leftists have not been the deciding factor in elections, liberals have, be they more conservative or more progressive liberals.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Liberals are "the right" and they sure as hell don't believe 75% of the same things as leftists. Leftists in the west also don't really have the power to keep liberals out of power, hence why liberals have consistently been the only ones in power for decades. Liberals on the other hand, absolutely do have the power to keep leftists out, and they will go as far as allying with fascists to murder leftists in their beds.

[–] Chainweasel 49 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (15 children)

Unpopular opinion:

Alienating liberals doesn't create more leftists, it only causes people to be dismissive of the term and dig in their heels.
Insulting them rather than educating them does nothing but divide anyone left of center and after the last election I think it's abundantly clear that we need to be unified rather than divided.
No one is going to argue that left leaning candidates aren't far from perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better than the far-right fascists were about to have in power in less than 2 weeks.
Yes, I agree modern liberals are too centrist and ineffective but at the end of the day they're light-years ahead of the far right, and I'd rather be agitated about having another centrist administration than alarmed and outraged at the onset of fascism.

[–] bouh 2 points 21 minutes ago

The liberals have to do their mea culpa, not the left. Right now it will soon be a matter of choosing a side : humanism or fascism. Until now the liberals always chose fascism and called the leftists dangerous extremists.

Choose a side liberals. You made the world what it is today. And you're now blaming the leftists and asking them to support your insanity. That's not how it works. Leftists know which side they are fighting for, and they will suffer the consequences. What about you liberals?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

I don't think they really are "light years ahead of the right". Most of the difference as far as I can tell is in how they talk-- not what they do. Liberals fundamentally just believe in the status quo. MLK Jr saw it the same way when he described " the white moderate" as the greatest obstacle to change.

I'm definitely willing to engage liberals (and even conservatives) in honest conversation when I feel the context warrants the effort. Lemmy rarely seems to qualify.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

last election I think it’s abundantly clear that we need to be unified rather than divided.

Who's "we"? Liberals are not on the left and are ideological enemies of the left: you can't be unified with people who fundamentally oppose you.

Also, which election? Oh right, you're one of the those American liberals who think foreigners are fictional characters. That explains why you think leftists would want to ally with the people committing genocide against these "fictional characters"

[–] affiliate 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

what is the benefit of writing a response with such a hostile tone?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

What's the benefit of mollycoddleing genocide apologists like Chainweasel?

[–] affiliate 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

this is a false dichotomy. in this context, i don’t think there’s much benefit to mollycoddling, and i don’t think there’s much benefit to open hostility. i was simply trying to ask why you chose to reply in such a hostile tone.

it’s also not clear to me how chainweasel is a genocide apologist. could you explain how you reached that conclusion?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Well you see, I reached that conclusion by reading their comments and not being deliberately disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

thats not an unpopular opinion though? maybe on the west? revolutions happen by convincing your fellow brothers, not by force or manipulation.

this is the hard part imo, we all have to go against the media machine.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 17 hours ago (15 children)

Liberals facilitate fascism

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001 53 points 20 hours ago (19 children)

Gestures at the current state of affairs

I don't think patience is working guys.

[–] Agent641 1 points 5 hours ago

Patience was a virtue.

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