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Intel won’t kill off its graphics card business (www.theverge.com)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was literally praying, like PRAYING.

I even prayed to the gods in my DnD world that intel wouldn't shut down the graphics department

I hope this success makes them consider this venture a success and continue as the third competitor

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

O'Gola, O'Great Mozwen'uve... Give me the faith for intel to persevere and grant them power for they shall make INTEL ARC BATTLEMAGE Cards great!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

In other breaking news, Apple won’t stop making iPhones and Google won’t stop collecting user data.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Was there a chance that they would?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

It’s Intel so yes

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Were there rumours that they would? I didn't hear them, but this is a weird news story to report on otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Good Ol clickbait title.

Not that they are much worse than the rest of the tech press but I avoid The Verge. They have a bad track record and regularly release really bad and misleading articles.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, they fired their last CEO that carefully planned and executed his plan to design and manufacture them (GPUs).

[–] Diplomjodler3 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There have been rumours like that for as long as the GPU business has existed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is the GPU business a separate business, even? Or just the integrated graphics on their CPUs?

[–] Diplomjodler3 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They're starting to sell their second generation of discrete GPUs right now. They've had integrated GPUs for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Oh neat, I didn't know they did that. Do their GPUs have a specific niche, or are they aimed generally at competing with Nvidia and AMD Radeon?

edit: just to be clear what I mean, as an example, Qualcomm makes processors, but they fill the specific niche of mobile device processors, they don't compete with Intel & AMD's desktop lines.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

...their first-generation cards were poorly received, but intel kept at it and recently achieved parity with low-end offerings from ATI and nvidia as a respectable selection for a budget machine...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/12/review-intel-arc-b580-is-a-compelling-if-incredibly-tardy-250-midrange-gpu/

...if they stay committed to the effort, i think intel might stand toe-to-toe on midrange cards within a generation or two...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ATI

Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.

But thanks for the info! Cool to know.

[–] sylver_dragon 6 points 1 week ago

Yet.

[+] Wooki -10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Second generation of cards targeting budget computers that can't run on budget computers...intel silicon at this point is assured to be dead on arrival

[–] HandMadeArtisanRobot 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There are performance issues on old hardware, not budget hardware.

Anyway I'm going to cut them some slack. Like you said, it's only their second generation and we badly need competition in this space, especially at the low end. It's good to have options.

[–] Wooki 1 points 6 days ago

Competition is a must in the gpu market atm and the upgrade market is a fast the growing market as the market leader continues to price out consumers.

That said, this intel silicon degradation in quality cannot be ignored across CPUs and GPUs. It's now consistently lowering in quality.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why can't it run on budget computers? The reviews the seen at far have been positive.

[–] Wooki 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Very recently found the architecture has a serious bottleneck that cripples performance on low end cpus. Not very old cpus, current generation budget processors that results in unexplained 35% or more performance loss.

Reviews have updated and are being updated since about 3 days ago now with the recommendations going from great budget card to "stay very far away".

See hardware unboxed for detail

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It can't run on CPUs that are older than 6 years. This is a non issue for regular users.

[–] Wooki -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wrong go catch up on the recent updates

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Do you have a link, I haven't been able to find any articles specifically referencing battlemage bottlenecking on budget current-gen CPUs.

Edit: Nevermind, I found this: https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/arc-b580-performance-issues

The article notes that this points to a driver issue, and given the driver improvements made by Intel on their previous Arc GPUs I would be surprised if this issue isn't ironed out in future patches. It is a bit hyperbolic to say Battlemage is DOA based on driver issues alone,. especially so recently after launch. It also notes that games do run, but some games see 10-20% lower performance at the moment.

[–] Wooki 1 points 6 days ago

Hardware unboxed have covered this as have others. The driver issue is at this stage believed to be unlikely the cause.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Exactly. The type of person buying a $250 GPU is likely to be running a recent budget CPU (i.e. first build, pre-builts, or entry into new CPU socket), not an older, higher-end CPU that's still relevant.

[–] Wooki -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

And your wrong.

Its severely impacting current gen budget processors smashing performance by 35% or more. Catchup on the reviews over the past few days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ok, I just reviewed them quickly, and I see this:

Nvidia announced 5000 series - no third party reviews, and the official numbers are sus due to different settings; looks like they're relying on AI for perf improvements, so we'll see what that ends up looking like
AMD announced 9000 series CPUs and GPUs (GPUs through the press only) - CPUs are higher end (not applicable here) and GPUs have no details

So all I see are dubious claims by Nvidia about products nowhere near Intel's lineup with the cheapest one going for $550 (>2x higher than Intel's top end) and the most expensive going for $2000. If those are interesting to you, you aren't the target market for Intel's GPUs, and if Nvidia's are too expensive and you're unsure about Intel's GPU, you'll wait to see what options AMD launches with, and there's a lot of room between Intel and Nvidia.

So I'm not exactly sure what the new releases change that you're claiming.

[–] Wooki 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Hardware canucks 5 days ago(the intel arc B580 is broken), hardware unboxed 4 days ago (B580 overhead issue upgraders beware) and then updated with more testing 3 days ago to address skeptics (B580 overhead issue Ryzen 5..).

The performance loss is worse in older processors so it will impact the upgrade market the most which will be this card. Its a budget card perfect for upgrades. Not any more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Yes, all of that is for old systems, like 6+ years old, as was stated earlier. Intel has been clear about needing a recent-ish CPU (Intel 10th gen or AMD 3000 series) with resizeable bar support enabled. So if you're seeing terrible performance, options are:

upgrade CPU - a 5600X runs ~$120 and works with many older boards
hack around missing option for resizable bar support
wait for Intel to address the problem
buy a different GPU - RX 6700 XT is a good deal used

If you're building a new system or upgrading from an APU, the B580 is a phenomenal deal. If your system is 6+ years old, you'll probably want to upgrade your CPU anyway.