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Summary

Small FPV drones, traveling at 37mph, have become ubiquitous in Ukraine’s war, evolving from “a novelty to a weapon of choice.”

Ukrainian forces deploy these low-cost, explosive-equipped drones for reconnaissance and precision attacks, transforming frontlines into deep drone combat zones.

Crowdfunded and assembled locally, FPV drones are also used for air defense, targeting Russian aircraft and drones at lower costs.

With limited Western aid uncertain, Ukraine focuses on scaling drone production and innovation to counter Russia’s numerical advantage and maintain battlefield efficiency.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Would be interesting if an effective countermeasure for drones is to disable all electronics in an area.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

The problem there however is it would disable your electronics too though, and everyone is using them.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, that or something similar.

[–] Deestan 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

An EMP is expensive and instananeous, caused by a nuclear or high explosive bomb. They are suited to active offense more than passive defense.

Non-nuclear has a max range of 1 mile-ish.

If a drone travels 30 mph, you'd have to detonate a high explosive warhead above your command center every minute to maintain a protective field of sorts.

[–] MSids 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think an EMP can be triggered by things other than a bomb.

Other forms of electromagnetic warfare also exist which target the drones wireless signal to the operator. Some tanks now have these devices mounted to them. This is being countered with the use of fiber optic canisters with huge lengths of hair-thin fiber cable coiled inside. The drone would still likely be susceptible to an EMP, but as you stated an EMP is really not practical, as it disrupts all electronics even your own.

[–] Deestan 1 points 1 week ago

True. More targeted measures than EMP are possible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What I am surprised about is that frontline soldiers still use such a large percentage of quadcopters and appear to operate them with BetaFlight.

Quads need twice as much battery to deliver the same payload as a plane would. And while BetaFlight is mighty fine for sports, it seems to have no "heading lock" behaviour - so if you jam a machine running BetaFlight, it won't be able to go where it used to go.

I have the feeling that we're only seeing the beginning of the first episode of a quite gruesome story. There will be far more capable drones (and antidrone drones, and automated weapons stations) right around the corner.

At some point, offensive operations will involve releasing thousands of drones at once, and if the defender hasn't fortified well (earth protects), then defensive operations will foremost attempt to mop them up. EMP will be used for sure when swarms get very big and nasty.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

my guess is essentially a robot controlled turret that shoots them down using trigonometry n math stuff. Isn't what they have with planes just bigger?

[–] Skyrmir 3 points 1 week ago

Carnival BB gun on a turret basically. Squat for range, but squat for detection distance anyway. It would be able to knock out shaped charge dones outside their effective range, just barely. Drones with a grenade would still be close enough to be fatal without cover. It'd be an automated system to do the same thing the sad cages do now.

[–] Treczoks 2 points 1 week ago

That's when and where the Ukraininans start using artillery.