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Suck it micro USB, mini USB, and lightning! πŸͺ«πŸ”‹

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[–] IndustryStandard 104 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Now for those swappable batteries

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Including cars.

Drive in, swap non-proprietary batteries with an autoloader, drive out. Done.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Yes and no. No need to hot swap massive EV batteries. Rapid is fast enough. But yes so the EV can be upgraded. The batteries go obsolete quicker than they degrade. So make it so we can swap the batteries and keep the rest running. In fact, just right-to-repair the whole car. In fact, the whole everything!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

In fact, just right-to-repair the whole car. In fact, the whole everything!

Boy, that escalated quickly

But yes, please.

[–] DrownedRats 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Hot Swapping batteries is actually surprisingly good for the life of the battery if done well.

Rapid charging the battery does do permenant damage over time especially if you fast charge every time. Whereas if you can hot swap a battery and have a suitable stockpile of them you can trickle charge the battery over a couple of hours instead of 30 mins and prolong the overall lifespan of the battery. Even slowing down the charge rate to 1 hour reduces wear on the battery significantly. Plus, without time pressure from a customer, more time could be taken to replace damaged cells or blocks in a battery so that one pack will more effectively use the whole battery up instead of throwing away perfectly good cells.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This sounds great until you've had to repair an old car.

Everything rusts, warps, etc. The same things that make it hard to change your brakes will make it hard to change the battery pack, and you're expecting a robot to do it for you (and fast!).

There were companies built on this idea. I think they've all gone under at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

That is something that I wish would come true. This would also open EVs to the industry in some new ways. Currently it kinda sucks if you have machines that have to be able to run the whole day without big interruptions. When you're able to just swap the batteries in like 5 Minutes this machines don't have to rely on fossil fuels that much and are open to be replaced by electric ones.

What I'm thinking about are machines like tractors for farming. During the summer it happens that they are running for 8+ hours without interruptions. Building a battery this big will be quite challengening. However, if you're able to swap out the batteries after like 2 hours and then continue with work you effectively solved one of the biggest problems with not that much of a hassle.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago

That's actually the next goal

[–] Fishamatician 7 points 5 days ago

And make all power tool batteries compatible.

[–] postmateDumbass 39 points 5 days ago

USA checking in.

Just bought a new USB-C charging beard trimmer on clearance.

Feels good, man.

Thamks if EU helped.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Eu once again doing more to improve my life than my own government (tax holiday).

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[–] Gammelfisch 33 points 6 days ago

Kudos to the EU, end the waste.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Can we bring back the charging as well, and not just the USB cable... Oh, and while you're at it, screws instead of glue, to replace batteries would be awesome.

Thx!

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago (4 children)

There's a rule coming into effect in 2027 that enforces user replaceable batteries for devices in the EU. https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-replaceable-batteries-by-2027

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (5 children)

while 2027 is better than nothing, I still wonder why it took them so long. Glue in smartphones has been around for probably a decade now.

Also, I think, anything that has a battery, should be user replacable... even teeny-tiny earbuds.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

To allow the manufacturers to adapt and phase out?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Based AF eu

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[–] pyre 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

no keep the glue please. I love that my phone's back just came off on its own just because it was hot outside and the glue melted away. it was fun and exciting!

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago (6 children)

The benefit is that by being standardized, there will be less proprietary cords and adapters. And the capability of USB-C should be adequate for sometime with the power and data transfer.

One issue, is that not all USBC cords are of the same quality. I found this recently when trying to find a cord that can be used for an external SSD, and video for a monitor. Some cords worked, the rest did not. All the cords could be used for charging, but after that, all bets are off.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (18 children)

While this is good news, the likes of Apple will still find ways to be "compliant" while still being total assholes about it. e.g. the device might charge with USB C but they'll gimp the data transfer rates on non-pro phones. And they'll do the same when mandates about repairability come in - all of a sudden the battery will have a bunch of expensive DRM'd up the ass circuitry attached to it that will cripple the phone if its not recognized or registered by one of their techs and means Apple can kill old phones by being "out of stock" of the battery.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

This is absolutely true,however the EU has proven to be not someone you mess with. Apple has already tried shenanigans to stop side loading and got beaten by the EU to comply with the rules.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

e.g. the device might charge with USB C but they’ll gimp the data transfer rates on non-pro phones.

Just so you know, there are others who have slow speed on USB Type-C already. My mother's Galaxy A52 has a USB Type-C port that has only USB 2.0 support for data transfer, but with USB PD 3.0 PPS charging up to 25 W.

To me it's legitimate to use USB Type-C for better power delivery even if the chipset runs only at USB 2.0 speeds for data transfer. But hobbling a fast chipset just for product segmentation would be shitty. It is something I could see Apple doing though.

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[–] AA5B 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Now if only we can standardize cables or at least labeling. We went from everything working wherever it would plugin to everything plugging in but who knows if it will work

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Only suck it lightning. It still allows standard chargers like micro USB and mini USB

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Are you sure? The EU parliament explicitly mentions USB C as the new mandatory standard.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A32022L2380

USB C is mentioned in annex Ia and as an example in articles 11 and 12. As I understand previous articles, it is possible to use other standards that satisfy citeria from article 9.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Good πŸ‘ I just hope nothing replaces USB-C anytime soon

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

With the iPhone 14 no longer being sold the specs of the rumored SE 2025 make a lot more sense.

[–] Jimmycakes 11 points 6 days ago (8 children)

They should specified speeds too. I think Apple gimps usb c charging speeds

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