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CEO of Tesla and acting President-elect Musk is going on a neo-Nazi binge endorsing far right candidates instead of properly running the companies he's involved in such as Tesla.

In addition Tesla is considered one of the most unreliable car brands according to: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/

Moreover Tesla has the highest fatal accident rates of all car brands according to: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/

Also there are privacy implications with using a car that could in theory spy on you: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/05/massive-trove-of-tesla-files-contains-thousands-of-safety-complaints/

Now that more competent and establish brands are making EVs there's no reason to buy a Tesla if you want an EV. I'm not here to recommend another brand, I'm just here to tell you that your next EV should be anything other than a Tesla.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

lol 10 years too late.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Anticorp 62 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not a theory, all modern cars are spying on you and selling your data to anyone who will pay for it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

I’m so sick of people pretending we can consume our way out of this, it needs regulations and that’s the only way.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm very happy with mine but to each their own. Musk is definitely a complete asshole to put it mildly and imo the worst part of having a Tesla is the association with him. It's certainly a valid reason to not want one.

[–] SirQuackTheDuck 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There will always be tesla fanboys whenever the brand is talked down. Sadly, the points brought up by OP have been valid for years.

Stories of teslas not shutting down in crashes, leaving paramedics unable to assist, and doors locking while updating are still present for the cars, whereas nearly all other vehicles don't do dumb things like "escape cords" but just use mechanical locks that won't fail on a power outage.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (10 children)

whats a good source of info for purchasing US-available, non-tesla evs?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Pretty much go for only Hyundais or Kias. They’re all in on EVs and they’re fantastic. I have an Ioniq 5 and while it does have issues, every car does, and it has a tenth the issues that teslas and others do.

[–] Mog_fanatic 8 points 1 week ago (8 children)

What are some of the issues they have? Pretty much the only thing I know about the ioniq 5 is that it won EV of the year so it's gotta be pretty decent!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it varies. I've owned a Volt, Bolt, two Teslas. My friend has two Rivians. My other friend has a Bolt. My manager has an Ioniq 5.

None of us have had any issues at all. Obviously YMMV.

[–] MutilationWave 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Save some EVs for the rest of us, damn. I've owned two cars in my life and I'm 41.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Not in-depth, but a complete list with some specs to get you started. https://evadoption.com/ev-models/bev-models-currently-available-in-the-us/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you are on the market now, I can recommend the BMW i4. They are desperately trying to get their name in the game and are offering ridiculous discounts, before the end of the year.

I recently leased a BMW i4 M50 and absolutely love it.

[–] MutilationWave 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

My impression of BMW is that they're cars for people who want to look rich but aren't. Then the endless repairs keep the buyer broke. Maybe the EVs are different?

My BMW story is when I worked a shitty as fuck management job and my boss loved his BMW. His job was shitty as fuck too. He told stories about how all his life he wanted a BMW and he could finally afford one- ten years old. It would regularly stall out at idle if you didn't give it a bit of gas.

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[–] FlatFootFox 12 points 1 week ago

https://electrek.co/ is a decent source for EV news. Beyond that most of your typical car sites have a halfway decent reviews section.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Go to Autotrader, advanced search, fuel type: electric.

Now you can see all the available EVs from all brands.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Look at the specs. Charging speed, range, cost. Go feel how they feel to drive. There's not that many options so easy to see them all.

[–] _stranger_ 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

GM was an early alternative choice, but I don't have much but anecdotal evidence that they're good. I'm looking at a Hyundai, electric Silverado, or Rivian to replace my 10yo pickup sometime in the next 2-5 years.

Of all the ones I've test driven, none of them meet or exceed Tesla's "Supervised FSD", but that's a non starter because fuck that guy.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I want some recommendations. Something with tactile controls and no subscriptions.

[–] AtariDump 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I drive the EV equivalent of this, a 2016 Nissan leaf.

It only cost 6k, 4kish with tax rebates, but it has a max mileage of like 70 miles. Perfect for our needs as a commuter car within the city.

There is a touchscreen, but that's just for audio since the gps and Pandora features stopped working after 3g cell service was phased out. There are tactile controls for audio as well.

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[–] chiliedogg 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you're in the US, wait about a year and you'll have a bunch of better options from the traditional automakers.

The thing that makes Tesla compelling to me is their charger network, and Ford, GM, etc are adopting the Tesla standard in upcoming models. I think Ford is doing the switch in 2025.

I'm a truck guy, and the F150 lightning looks way, way more compelling than the Cybertruck, because they're making what I want. A truck that happens to be electric. Ford has been making F-series trucks for over 75 years and has made a pretty refined package in that time. They took that design, put in an electric motor and used the space savings for a frunk.

That's what I want. The revolution should be in how it's powered, not in how it operates.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Nearly all modern cars are a privacy nightmare. That is not a valid reason to avoid Tesla in favor of a different modern car.

All the other points are spot on, though. Fuck Tesla and fuck the nazi shitbag that pretends to run it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So if all cars are privacy nightmares we'd have to pick the least bad option. Tesla is the worst option because you have a privacy nightmare plus it's ran by a guy who has a history of abusing his power by doing things like banning journalists on his "X" platform. Could he one day use the data collected by Tesla cars against someone he doesn't like?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't let your (justified) dislike of Tesla dull your senses towards other automakers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html

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[–] tired_n_bored 27 points 1 week ago

Yeah not a single dime he will receive from me. I'm not going to support a Nazi.

[–] Sterile_Technique 13 points 1 week ago

I'd love an EV once I have the means. I plan on starting the conversation at the dealership with something akin to "what do you have that isn't a Tesla?"

Even if I was gifted a Tesla, I'd sell it ASAP. Fuck everything to do with Musk, to include his shitty cars.

[–] GaMEChld 11 points 1 week ago

Tesla is trash, no QC.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm eyeing Lucid right now, but hoping for even more competition over the next couple few years.

I hate Elon. I want him to get Luigi'd, but my Tesla is paid off and costs me basically nothing now except shame. So I think it'd be wiser to drive it until it dies or something happens and it gets totaled out.

I agree though, don't buy a Tesla. I've told all my friends and family not to get one. Anyone who asks me how I like it I just say it sucks and to look at other brands.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Hey man don't let that get to you, at the end of the day if you have an already paid vehicle the smart move is to run it as long as you can bear it, it's also the most eco friendly. It sucks about Elon and it's definitely a big part of why my EV isn't a Tesla (among other things) but who cares what people think when they see you on the road you know you've got your heart in the right place. If it bothers you so much just put one of these stickers on it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For recommendations, in the States, Porsche and Lucid are the best you can get. You have a lot more options for electric vehicles outside of the US, in say, Australia or the UK, because of Chinese brands.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Chinese brands are affordable because they pay their workers slave wages. Fuck off with that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Yeah, I have to say, the Brazil BYD thing is pretty bad, there is no way around it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Yeah we know Tesla sucks

Are you actually asking for honest feedback or just upvotes?

If so, buying any used car is better. If you can get by with a 2008 accord, buy that. Better for the environment than any new electric. If you don't care about the environment and just want an electric for funsies, buy a used (whatever is well rated).

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

I'm not asking for anything. I just wanted to warn people so they are not stuck with a heap of junk from a company who's CEO endorses neo-Nazi political parties.

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