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[–] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago

Honda must be in worse shape than I thought to consider merging with Nissan.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Welp, guess I'll stop buying Honda. It was nice while it lasted.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Ehhh we'll see. I feel this is more a takeover of Nissan than anything else since Honda's market position and corporate structure is so much stronger.

When Chrysler merged into Fiat becoming FCA, Fiat was the weaker player, but Chrysler had the most institutional level problems (and honestly always have). The merged entity ended up getting the bad baggage from both. In this case Honda has a lot better position to drive real improvements in Nissan.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I feel this is more a takeover of Nissan than anything else since Honda's market position and corporate structure is so much stronger.

Oh, I hope so. Honda makes a famously reliable vehicle and does some pretty interesting robotics research. Nissan seems to have a weird "the boss's kid can do no wrong" vibe (based on a few moments from a documentary that was trying to make it seem like a good thing.)

I am afraid the merger will retain the worst of both, as often seems to happen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Can't think of any modern mergers that didn't result in a worse situation than it started. Stellantis has been the biggest train wreck so far. Honda and Nissan don't deserve a bad future like this.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

I hope Nissan doesn't drag Honda down with them. Modern Nissans are trash.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the new company shall be called Honda-san.

[–] Frozengyro 5 points 1 day ago

Honda-kun ??

[–] postnataldrip 26 points 1 day ago

I don't know how I feel about this, but tbh that is based on what they were, not what they are.

[–] David_Eight 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean for Nissan it's either this, get bought out by the Chinese, or closer down. I think this is the best outcome of a bad situation.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nissan has a head start when it comes to electric cars, and Honda really missed the boat on that one, so hopefully some cool electric cars come out of this synergy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

Afaik Honda is using GM platforms for their new car?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't say they have much of a head start. They did come out with the Leaf pretty early on but they didn't really capitalize on that and their design is quite dated by this point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's sad because the Frontier is a solid truck

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It should be when you've been building the exact same truck for 20 years straight.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

There's definitely some truth to that but it didn't seem to work out in Nissan's favor in the end.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Been my daily driver for the past 7 years. Well, not Frontier exactly but Navara which is the European equivalent with the main difference being the 2.5 litre turbo diesel engine.

[–] reddig33 1 points 1 day ago

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.