Ever hear of Franz Ferdinand?
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But they are in fire!
Out of control, I tell ya.
I can totally see this being some mumble rapper or some retro southern folk band.
They were more rock if I recall correctly.
Oh god, I thought they were joking.
Wait, they died?
If by they you mean the band, then no, they are dropping a new album on Jan 10th.
If you mean the archduke, yes they dead
This ignorance of history is why we're destined for a repeat lmao
Oh wait...
Listen I get it but please point me to the last orange painted person to be put in the highest position of power ruling over the worlds largest and most technically advanced military.
You're right, the last one was brown.
More specifically, the sandwich that he stopped to grab, in public, after having just survived MULTIPLE failed assasination attempts in a parade!
Honestly, let's take away the politics. Let's take away the original reasons for the assasination attempts. Let's take away the nationality, and culture.
The fact that you sat in an open top car during a parade, witnessed MULTIPLE assasination attempts fail as you drove through the public, SURVIVED UNHARMED, and your first thought was "I'm gonna get a sandwich"? Yeah, Franz deserved what he got.
It was the assassin that suposedly was getting the sandwich, but it's a made up story.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gavrilo-princips-sandwich-79480741/
I'd be hungry after all of that, too.
Would you perhaps say that he was... hungarian after that parade?
You’re next.
Franz Ferdinand was an excuse to start ww1, not the cause. The declining monarchies in Germany and other countries were looking for any excuse at that time to flex their remaining muscle in the face of a world which increasingly didn't need them.
It was the last song of monarchist expansion.
But yes, killing Franz Ferdinand was the catalyst that gave them the excuse they needed. If it hadn't been that though, it would have been something else shortly after they would have seized on.
Thats just hindsight though. Same as now. Its either a catalyst or it isnt. history will write it. My response will be an acknowledgement of fact or a forgotten record.
From the research for a school project from a couple years ago, i can say that the assassination was just an excuse to get more control over Serbia
So you're saying the situation was just a simmering pot and that the assassination was but the catalyst for everything that came after?
Also known as a powderkeg ;D
situation was just a simmering pot
The situation was a simmering pot, but the ingredients were vastly different. The ingredients were an ongoing arms race, nationalism, imperialism, and the militarism of Imperial Germany.
That said, we do have some Nazi's in the grocery order...
Give who an excuse, AH? I mean, Serbia has a pretty rocky history with the seige of Sarajevo and all.
From what I read in some history books, the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was just one of many pieces that led to WWI.
As if there are no other pieces at the present time
Yeah, but that meme implies causation, and I can't agree with that.
It was an action which was taken as a reason to start a war, so yes, there was causation
One would have to learn history from memes to reach that conclusion.
The way that I often hear it described is the spark that blew up the powder keg that was Europe at the time. Obviously a spark alone would do very little without the gunpowder there to be ignited, so there're definitely different levels of causation, but I think there is a sense in which the assassination can be seen as a causative element
I was taught that the consensus amongst historians is that it would have happened regardless
The assassination was the trigger, not the reason.
Franz Ferdinand was not the cause of WWI. WWI was caused by numerous geopolitical, economic, and societal conditions that all drove us towards it. Can I tell you what those conditions were and how exactly they led to WWI? No, because I'm an uneducated idiot who knows next to nothing about history. But at least I'm not dumb enough to believe that killing one guy led to the killing of 40 million others.
numerous geopolitical, economic, and societal conditions
Oh, we have those, we have many conditions!
I mean you could say the same of today though
Well I mean Serbia is pretty proud of it having a statue of Gabril princip still standing today. The only reason they went ahead with it was because they knew if Russia was dragged in they would have their back. With the beef between HA and the other Western powers that also lead to the UK and such to pick a side.
It was definitely a factor that, if avoided, could have changed history. He was the final nail in the coffin for many people to get pissed off really bad.
One was head of state, the other is some CEO that was replaced by another one in the lineup before the day was even over.