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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is not a juxtaposition at all. Terrible ethics aside, the CEO operated more or less totally in compliance with USA law. Being a fucking scumbag is not illegal -- indeed, our country sadly runs on this principle.

The fellow in the subway was acting to a DIRECT threat, and it's pretty easy to draw a line from that guy flipping out to someone being threatened/hurt/killed in the subway. He was already culpable of disorderly conduct or worse, and it's pretty clear that it wasn't Penny's intent to fatally injure him.

The juxtaposition some people feel is because the CEO is acting against their moral framework, but he's operating in a legal framework. This is why our country is fucking sick, but it is is what it is at this point.

[–] Wandering_jaguar 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Did the CEO do anything unlawful? If so, let's talk about it. Otherwise, how can you blame him? He's performing in a way that is sanctioned by US law. Think it's horrible? So do I! Until the laws change, you're going to see more of the same.

[–] Wandering_jaguar 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Their the ones making the laws man. Stop trying so hard to defend them and concern yourself with all the people struggling under his umbrella. If they made murder legal would you start killing people too? Draw a better line.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Their the ones making the laws man. Stop trying so hard to defend them and concern yourself with all the people struggling under his umbrella. If they made murder legal would you start killing people too? Draw a better line.

I'm not defending them. I'm just acknowledging how horrible our current system is and how unlikely it is to change. I have my own moral code and would not be comfortable taking $ as I deny terminally ill cancer patient medication that my company could easily pay for.

By the way, if the government made murder legal, I would not be a killer, but there are plenty of people that would. If we really wanted to solve the health care problem, we'd make for-profit health illegal. Since it's highly profitable to companies and those same companies spend a lot of money lobbying to keep this legal, you ain't gonna see this get fixed any time soon. I want to understand the system as well as I can so I may operate within it. That doesn't mean I agree or sanction what is happening. It's fucking horrible and as a supposed first-world country we should all be outraged. Two weeks from now that shooter will be out of the headlines and nothing will have changed.

[–] kava 8 points 5 hours ago

I think there are two primary reasons for the difference in treatment of these two killings

  1. The killing of the CEO was meant to be a message to the country. It's a different scale. Because something like this is such a spectacle, it gets national attention and the local and federal authorities are forced to deal with it quickly- otherwise they lose face.

  2. Ultimately the power structure cannot tolerate these types of rebellions. It's like a slave talking back to the master. You allow it once and you open the door for it to happen again. You have to try and shut it down as quickly as possible.

[–] Snapz 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

"Sen. John Fetterman is one of those who has loudly insisted that the “public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible.” We are expected to ignore the fact that for 14 months straight before Thompson’s killing, Israeli forces have publicly executed thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Gaza with the enthusiastic support of US politicians like Fetterman."

Normally I'm not one to dig into these things, but I seriously think fetterman died and the dude we hear from now is a stand in. Just such a 180... I remember when he was first gaining national prominence, had some interview in front of a Wawa off the freeway - when I saw THAT guy, I donated to his campaign and called my wife in to say, "listen to this for a second, I think this guy could be the president one day". That guy has ZERO DNA in common with the "Fetterman" we see and hear from today. It wasn't a stroke, or if it was, it was fatal.

[–] Pazu900 16 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm think it's from the stroke. They can cause a huge personality shift

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 hours ago

Our society ties worth to wealth.

To a capitalist, If you're homeless, you have less moral value than someone who exploited millions of people's need for healthcare for his own gain.

And there are a lot of capitalists.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I don't understand who is the guy on the right?

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[–] pyre 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

but killing rich people is illegal!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's illegal to keep a sleeping donkey in a bathtub after 7 pm. in Arizona.

It's illegal to fall asleep in a cheese factory in South Dakota.

It's illegal to bring a kangaroo inside barber shops in Alaska.

[–] pyre 2 points 2 hours ago

someone has to have done that, right? what I wonder is how and when.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (46 children)

I've seen people comparing the DOJ response to Luigi Mangioni and Kyle Shittenhouse. The fact that Rittenhouse is free should tell you everything you need to know.

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