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U.S. fourth graders saw their math scores drop steeply between 2019 and 2023 on a key international test even as more than a dozen other countries saw their scores improve. Scores dropped even more steeply for American eighth graders, a grade where only three countries saw increases.

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[–] fluxion 58 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Since then, other research into post-pandemic academic performance has found widening gaps across race and income, even as many middle and higher income students are doing well.

Private school vouchers and destroying the Department of Education, and a healthy dose of white nationalist politics will surely address all this

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the intentional plan.

Stupid people are easier to lie to.

Making more people more stupid has been the Republican MO for longer than I've been alive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

At least since Reagan.

[–] _lilith 24 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Bad at tests? Better require more tests. Also make school finding dependent on tests. Then teachers can spend all their class time teaching how to take tests. Oh and lets feed the kids hot garbage and stuff them in overcrowded under funded classrooms. America #1 🇺🇲

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Crazy thing is, research says frequent testing actually improves learning. BUT, the way it's practiced by a lot of educational institutions feels like major misinterpretations of this information. It's about practicing recall, and even better if it's in a practical context and in low to no stakes scenarios.

Like you said, when you put so many incentives on test results, teaching to the test rather than the content becomes the norm, and everyone suffers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

The small testing for mastery isn’t the issue and is really all that should be done. It’s the hours and hours of state testing that we require of nine year olds that’s the killer. We do quarterly testing starting in third grade with a major test at the end of the year in both reading and math (plus history for 4th and science for 5th). So leaving elementary school kids have completed 30 state assessments that each take several hours to complete (not every kid needs over an hour but you’re still in the testing environment until everyone is finished). Then, there’s no consequences for failing. You still get promoted to the next grade and you’re invited to summer school but not required to attend. If I recall correctly, the data shows that testing is effective and beneficial if its short term, like a unit test, and not long term like a midterm or final.

[–] moshankey 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I fully agree. We were teaching how to take tests back in the 1990’s. I’m not going to start on how the voucher system is so beyond faulty. Don’t have enough time for that. I also remember when cafeteria food was semi decent. Cafeteria ladies liked my skinny butt back then. Fed he heck out of me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cafeteria ladies liked my skinny butt back then. Fed he heck out of me.

Doesn't that mean they didn't like your skinny butt?

[–] moshankey 1 points 1 week ago

The food was pretty decent in the early 90’s. It was made at the school so it was fresh. A sight cheaper as well. This was not more than a few years. Food quality changed dramatically after they wanted to run the cafeteria more like a business.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

HOT garbage? And who's paying to heat this garbage up, me? No thank you! Cold garbage is fine for kids!

Lol, no but seriously they'd rather just let kids starve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I see what youre saying and the point you are making, but lets not forget that the guy we just elected thought the solution to rising covid cases was to stop testing.

[–] TheDemonBuer 12 points 2 weeks ago

There was also a strong correlation between socioeconomic status and test scores. Students from higher income households and those who attended schools with more affluent students had higher scores.

I'll be darned.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Just wait. Trump hasn't even shut down the Department of Education yet. Those scores can go lower!

[–] MooseTheDog 5 points 1 week ago

The tests were done during COVID, and they're only a few percentage points different. This article is trying to shit on the US because (checks notes) other countries have improved their education programs. Erica Meltzer shame on you.