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LOL, here I was trying to figure out the significance of the rest of it.
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In Russia they just kill all the opposition leaders. It's much cheaper that way.
But it doesn’t have the same Valium-like effect on the voting populace when there’s just one dictator. So in the US they like to have two dictators with the exact same goals but different marketing strategies/identities to keep up the charade for those fools that are too comfortable or busy working four jobs to realize it.
Bröthœr there is dark mode for your eyes
What OP said is that the US is a capitalist oligarchy like Russia, which is correct. OP did not say or imply that the US is identical to Russia, or similar to Russia in any other way, or that Russia is better than the US. So there’s no need for all the b-b-but in this thread.
~~We live in a society~~
We live in an oligarchy
If you think USA is like Russia, you're way off. USA is a flawed democracy. Very flawed, but still a democracy, since your votes matter. Russia is an informational autocracy. It's ruled by a spin dictator who lies the country is a democracy whilst killing his real opponents and posing clowns as his real ones. Mind you, I am Russian.
Edit: Now that I'm looking at it again, US may be considered a capitalist oligarchy, I'm fine with that classification. I do, however, disagree about Russia being one, it's informational autocracy (hence "way off" to begin with)
since your votes matter
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Believe it or not, would still take what US has over what we have any day.
Is it a bad system? Yes, I hate it as much as the next guy. Is Russia's situation better? Fuck no. It's like what you have in that picture on the right, but nobody actually voted for these people.
Obviously, I agree. We are not all the way there yet. But we WILL absolutely be just as bad as Russia in only a few short years. Mark my words. Citizen's United is never going away.
You can't be Russian, you're not on .ml! /s
USA is a flawed democracy. Very flawed, but still a democracy, since your votes matter.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/gerrymandering-explained
- Gerrymandering is deeply undemocratic.
Rather than voters choosing their representatives, gerrymandering empowers politicians to choose their voters. This tends to occur especially when line drawing is left to legislatures and one political party controls the process, as has become increasingly common. When that happens, partisan concerns almost invariably take precedence over all else. That produces maps where electoral results are virtually guaranteed even in years where the party drawing maps has a bad year.
- Gerrymandering has a real impact on the balance of power in Congress and many state legislatures.
On the state level, gerrymandering has also led to significant partisan bias in maps. For example, in 2018, Democrats in Wisconsin won every statewide office and a majority of the statewide vote, but thanks to gerrymandering, won only 36 of the 99 seats in the state assembly.
- Gerrymandering affects all Americans, but its most significant costs are borne by communities of color.
Targeting the political power of communities of color is also often a key element of partisan gerrymandering. This is especially the case in the South, where white Democrats are a comparatively small part of the electorate and often live, problematically from the standpoint of a gerrymanderer, very close to white Republicans. Even with slicing and dicing, discriminating against white Democrats only moves the political dial so much. Because of residential segregation, it is much easier for map drawers to pack or crack communities of color to achieve maximum political advantage.
True that. Yet you still see either party win the elections. In Russia, however? 80% goes to Putin and United Russia. Every. Single. Time.
Even if the people you swap out are corrupt. It's no comparison to how blatantly corrupt a person can be when he knows he'll be in power on practically every election cycle.
Yet you still see either party win the elections. In Russia, however? 80% goes to Putin and United Russia. Every. Single. Time.
Russia uses the same tricks to constrain participatory democracy as Florida or Texas. Even when a Democrat can win at the local level, the gerrymandered legislature steps in to gut the local government of authority (as Abbott did when he seized HISD).
Yes, you get to do the thing we call voting. But no, you don't get to participate in government.
It’s no comparison to how blatantly corrupt a person can be when he knows he’ll be in power on practically every election cycle
Tell Ken Paxton. Tell Rick Scott. Tell Tim Moore or Chris Kapenga. These are people in office who literally cannot lose, as the state election system operates.
If Republicans manage to move us to "EC votes by House seats" system, they'll have effectively gerrymandered the Presidency. Then there's no way for a Dem to ever win, shy of some absurd lopsided 70/30 election.
And even if the Dem DOES win, it’s basically a wash whether it is even a win since those are the same democrats that are in lockstep behind the commodification of healthcare, for profit education, real estate, police militarization, military industrial complex, banking, global shipping, and SO many more industries I failed to mention.
"Russia uses the same tricks to constrain participatory democracy as Florida or Texas."
Now imagine Texas is the entirety of US, where
- in some very specific cities you get over 100% participation rate where everybody votes for incumbent whereas the rest of them have like 30-40% with expected vote distribution to boot.
- Oh, and "electronic voting" (via the internet) where the incumbent always gets 90% of the votes with no way to verify the results.
- None of the participants are actually independent, and the ones that were are now either jailed or killed.
- And you have no way to protest the results, because
- it's against the law (despite the law contradicting constitution)
- the protest will get immediately shut down by the police
- every organizer will get jailed
And no, courts will not help. They will always side the government. No matter how ridiculous the accusations are.
That's Russia.
Edit: Forgot to mention that out electoral system is more straightforward, so it doesn't allow for gerrymandering. So it's not even distribution manipulation it's straight up the half of bulletins are fake.
Now imagine Texas is the entirety of US
Over half of Trump's cabinet is from Florida
Forgot to mention that out electoral system is more straightforward, so it doesn’t allow for gerrymandering
That's absolutely false
Over half of Trump's cabinet is from Florida
That's not the point
That's absolutely false
Explain how.
Gerrymandering is manipulation of electoral results using differently drawn district maps. Russia doesn't use districts to decide winners in each one. Instead, all of the votes are combined. Think of it as a one massive district. Whoever gets majority in that one district wins the elections. In this system votes are always proportionate to electorate, therefore gerrymandering cannot physically happen.
Instead, Russia's incumbent uses other ways of electoral fraud. Main ones I have already listed.
The fact that you would see it this way as a Russian makes sense. Unlike Russia, the American information space has at least retained the facade of being free and generally accurate. What you are missing is that the Republicans have been gutting our educational system for over 50 years, media consolidation has given the political establishment significant control over what ideologies are or are not given favorable coverage, and social media algorithms have been tuned to favor establishment information sources. For those with the time and inclination, it is certainly possible to be informed, and I'm sure it's easier than in Russia, but most Americans don't have the time or media sophistication to understand anything but establishment narratives. Those of us who are informed get absolutely swamped out by misinformed or outright delusional voters.
I'm aware that that's been happening in US, yes. Although I don't actually know to what extent.
What I mean by "votes actually matter" (as I assume that's what you're responding to) is that election results aren't pre-determined (not on a federal level, at the very least). Basically, it's a night and day difference between US and Russia.
Technically speaking, they matter in Russia too, even though they don't affect the results. In short, it's all because of public opinions. It's better people be disillusioned elections were falcified than be ignorantly believe they weren't. Not to mention, it, at least till recently, was also possible for opposition to win on municipal or regional level.
As for the establishment narrative, people believing in it, and media control. First two aren't unique to US, happens pretty much everywhere. I can tell that media in US is mostly controlled by conservatives. In Russia, on the other hand, there is no space for opposition on TV, which is mostly watched by older people, which are the majority of voters. Ever since Putin's first became the president, he's been silently killing off all independent news media till there was nothing left. Now he's trying to do the same with internet media, although he's much more illiterate when it comes to the internet.
Time to clutch those pearls, American Exceptionalists.
And every single dime from billionaires supported Israel first rule over America. While some of them are single issue Israel first, all of them go with the flow to get their pet corruption/"pro business deregulation" agenda items.
Of all Trump promises, no tax on tips or SS benefits, have 0 chance of getting through. Corporate tax cuts and destroying oligarch disruptive energy to protect O&G oligarchs are "first day" items.
And every single dime from billionaires supported Israel first rule over America.
I think you're underselling how much of that money was focused on crushing green economies and forcing people back to O&G consumption.