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This guy's dad is the former VP of a multibillion dollar Turkish conglomerate, as well as the secretary of a government department. Mom and Dad were able to fly to their other home in NJ to give birth so he'd get US citizenship. His uncle is the founder and owner of TYT Media and gave him his media career. He went to Rutgers. He lives in a multimillion dollar mansion in the Hollywood Hills. This is by definition not the kind of person who can be a voice of the People. Saying "I recognize my privilege" over and over, while living his lifestyle, doesn't negate his privilege and complete lack of real-life experience outside of the curated garden of the wealthy. He gets paid obscene amounts of cash to sit in his bedroom and word-vomit for 9 hours a day. Why are his unending opinions taken so seriously? He gives me strong controlled opposition vibes.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Semi off-topic but genuinely curious: did going to Rutgers become something that is fancy/seen akin to Ivy league? Or was mention of the school just aention that he went to college?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

He sometimes tells his audience to log off and join an org, we get a handful of new recruits occasionally due to the guy.

So he actually is successfully moving people from being socialist sympathizers to actual socialists (you need to be part of an org to be a socialist)

That's all I really know about him, besides some people being thirsty about him.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

A person's class is defined by their relation to labor, not their wealth. He's not exploiting labor. I'm not sure the people claiming he's a hypocrite for having money understand anything about communist/socialist theory. Engels was famously in a very similar situation.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Hasan occupies a niche within the broad "leftist" umbrella niche within the West. Unlike many breadtubers, he actually doesn't serve as much of a barrier for further leftist movement (see: Vaush, Destiny, etc.). He is privledged, but so was Engels. Hasan certainly is no Engels, but he does serve a useful role in radicalizing liberals towards the Left, like how he vocally combats the nonsense usage of the word "tankie" trendy among liberals these days.

Hasan is a pundit at the end of the day, and isn't bringing about the revolution, and he is definitely more of a USophile than he should be, but he is better than most leftist commentators and helps serve as a conveyor to the left of himself.

[–] extremeboredom 2 points 8 hours ago

Thank you for a nuanced reply. When you put it this way, I can see why many listeners find value in his content. I worked another shift today with him constantly droning in the background and I think my opinion is largely being colored by his presentation style, and my own distaste for "streamers" and "react culture" in general, with his aforementioned privilege issues now coming in third.

His comments about people working "real" jobs having an easier time of it than he does certainly rubbed me the wrong way, though, and his response when called out on it was more of the exact same "BROOO WHAT ARE YOU STUPID? THATS NOT WHAT I MEANT! OK!?" that his streams are full of.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The revolution will not have a channel on youtube.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

I was going to comment the same ΓΆ

[–] [email protected] 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think you have an extremely online view of "leftist political spaces" because I have never even heard this guy's name mentioned in any real life context, and I've been a very politically active communist since I was a teenager.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

Yeah the problem with living in capitalist hellworld at the heart of the empire is that you have two separated insular communities of leftists that are knife fighting rings. One in meetings and one on message boards, and they frequently know nothing about each other.

While the meetings communists sometimes eke out wins like Kshama Sawant, they often struggle to connect to the message board communists who really should be their base. Meanwhile both struggle to connect to society at large.

What's really funny is that most meetings communists I know locally essentially think of him in essentially the same way message board communists think of AOC. Most meetings communists cannot stand his level of yadda yadda when pressed on any specifics he often just goes more general and says things like 'I just want everyone to have healthcare bro'.

[–] Duamerthrax 9 points 17 hours ago

I've never listened to him for more than a few seconds. He gives me shyster vibes and I don't need a pundit to tell me everything is shit.

[–] piyuv 7 points 19 hours ago

Addition: his father is a founding member of a right wing party in Turkey

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I'll state this: I know of this person in name only.

He's a hypocrite. It's as simple as that. His popularity is probably derived from the novelty of a member of the upper class agreeing with the lower classes and his ability to entertain them. It gives those that belong to the lower class hope of change being enacted by those with capital. The Wikipedia page states he brought a $2.7 million USD mansion. He has access to capital, and what does he do? Asks others to donate to 'worthy' causes whilst accruing more capital for his own vested, personal vanity projects?

From what I've read he is not an ally. He's an entertainer. The capitalist system is able to create products that espouse anti-capitalist ideas. This is just another such product. It's not controlled opposition. It's just an individual who's found himself the owner of a sought after product. Just another capitalist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I’ll state this: I know of this person in name only.

surely THIS is a solid base to work off of when forming an opinion of somebody

He has access to capital, and what does he do? Asks others to donate to β€˜worthy’ causes whilst accruing more capital for his own vested, personal vanity projects?

a recent donation drive run by his community for Palestinian aid raised $840,000, with at least $75,000 coming directly from his pocket. Another previous donation drive last October raised $1,236,473.25, with another $50,000 coming directly from Hasan.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

There's nothing "leftist" about Piker, no matter what he chooses to call himself. People need to pay attention to what he does, not what he says.

[–] jaxxed 22 points 1 day ago

You can advocate for hungry people after eating a meal. You can advocate fornsex worker rights even if you are a virgin.

You can't tell people you are "working class" if you're rich. You can't advocate for punishing day people while pretending to be straight.

It is not complicated.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago

Never heard of him.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

What's with the identity politics man? Does what he says makes sense or not? Don't tell me you won't listen to rich white people when they make sense because they're rich and white.

[–] TheFonz -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

His class shouldn't matter ultimately.

However, his superficial and putrid understanding of anything regarding politics or the world in infuriating. At one point he was simping hard for Russia's invasion of Ukraine repeating verbatim rt talking points.

I loathe this man more than I hate Joe Rogan. Joe is an imbecile, through and through. Hasan, on the other hand, supposedly has a poli Sci degree. He knows what he's doing and it's disgusting

Edit : I don't have time to go into every fact check of the mountain of lies he spews. The guy has never opened a book in his life and spends all day reading Twitter. Some great intellectual.

Willymac does a good breakdown on yt:

Hasan sucks

Ukrainians react to Hasan (yt) :

Ukrainians react

He's such a joke

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheFonz 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't have time to break down al his lies. Willymac does a decent job:

Hasan

[–] ZebulonP 53 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I can give you my two cents. Currently, there aren't many left leaning pundits, and I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. His privilege means nothing if he's actually being a good progressive advocate. Also, he's actually talking about the things the left populace actually care about. Controlled opposition wouldn't look like him to me. They'd be more like the Democrat party, trying to copitulate with the right. He's been fairly consistent with his messaging of workers rights, lgbtq rights, womens rights, and the atrocities happening in Gaza. His income from streaming is incidental, and isn't a problem in and of itself. In fact, it lets him be independent and not beholden to corporate media. It's hard enough to afford bills working a regular job. The vast majority of regular jobs take all your time, leaving none for anything else, much less being a left leaning advocate online. I'm assuming you'd rather a full-time employee take his place, but how would someone like that be able to be effective in their advocacy?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Is this a "no true Scotsman" thing where only poor people with a blue collar work history are worthy of being listened to?

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[–] latenightnoir 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I understand where you're coming from, honestly. But I think this is a sort of trauma response on our end (myself included) at this point. I'm not trying to pin mental illnesses on you, I'm nowhere near a licensed head doctor of any kind, I'm saying that we've been kicked and abused so much by the rich, that it's only natural for those of us who broke free of the brainwashing to be on high alert, at least for a while. The continued unfolding of things surely can't help this situation, either.

That being said, as long as he acts in good faith and is sincere and logical in his approach, which so far seems to be true, I'd say we should embrace his participation! As I see it, we need all the voices we can get. We're already arguing semantics amongst ourselves all day long, I think it'd be a shame to let mistrust shatter "our side" without concrete proof of malicious intent.

At the end of the day, the greatest weapon the Right has is the fact that they yell united at everyone else. Let our chorus rival theirs!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t know Piker from a hole in the ground. This sure sounds like a red flag, and I think The Young Turks are hacks. Nonetheless, bourgeois class traitors are a thing, Engels & Mao being a prime examples.

Not knowing Piker’s particulars, I can only speak at the 30,000 foot view: Western β€œleftist” spaces have largely been captured by US imperialism since the end of WWII.

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