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[–] meldroc 54 points 2 years ago (9 children)

And despite security recommendations, too many IT depts still force password resets every 90 days...

And people confronted with this change their password from "p@55w0rd!1" to "p@55w0rd@2". Yep extra-secure!

[–] TheGoldenGod 14 points 2 years ago

At some point most security recommendations are self-defeating.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

@278 and going strong, across 7 companies. One time, just to mix things up, I used an exclamation mark instead. It was exhilerating. /s

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Hey, how do you know my password?

[–] chrischryse 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I work in the IT section of a bank and they force a change every 30 days and can only have an 8 character password no more no less 🙃

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Seems like a job for Bobby tables

[–] AlecSadler 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A job I quit about 6mos ago required monthly changes. It was awful. And, yes, it absolutely led to me just incrementing a number at the end. I knew it was time to quit when I was about to hit double digit numbers.

[–] Nikel23 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

you're saying not to hold a job for more than 10 months?

[–] AlecSadler 5 points 2 years ago

It was a joke.

But also, holding a shitty toxic job for 10mos took a mental health toll.

But also, I don't know, in some cases that might be good advice. Since 2020 I've changed jobs every 6-10mos and I'm making triple what I made in 2019, so that's nice.

[–] nomadjoanne 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ideally we'd all use password managers, but I'm aware 99% of peoole don't. Even with one, it's frankly a pain in the butt to be nagged about changing it. "Man, my passwords are 20 random characters. I don't need yo reset ot unless you've had a breach."

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[–] The_v 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Some IT guys have caught on to this and require 2 digits difference.

So "ThisJobSucks#11" becomes "ThisJobSucks#22"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (7 children)

How would they know how many digits changed? They don't store the password in cleartext.

Right?

...

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[–] Agent641 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

{Sitename}+{SaLt}+{yymmdd of password change} easy peasy

[–] Narjah 5 points 2 years ago

I college we had to change our password every semester. Guess who added the semester number onto the end of their password. Hint: everyone.

Same as a government job that required monthly password changes. Well, at least those people had more security than the post-it note on the monitor people

[–] Default_Defect 2 points 2 years ago

NavyExchange!(ddmm of password change) for as long as I worked there, it was really only to use a register though, I had nothing compromising behind the password lock.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

And despite security recommendations, too many IT depts still force password resets every 90 days...

It could be for contractual or for insurance reasons. We have some contracts with government agencies that require it, and our cyberinsurance also does. Even though NIST has been recommending for years to do long passphrase + MFA and no reset unless you suspect compromise.

So yeah, the reason behind this might not be just plain incompetence.

[–] FlexibleToast 33 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Who still isn't using a password manager?

[–] jetsetdorito 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The most infuriating part is when this happens while using a password from a password manager

[–] TheGoldenGod 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The fact this happens is infuriating. 😣

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then you finally do the password change, go to login and now the new password doesn't work because you copied it to clipboard and overwrote it somehow in that small time frame goddamn shit! I always win+r and put it there until I know everything is all good.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What if I were to tell you my password manager password is the most vulnerable of all?

Nobody would guess it's hunter2.

[–] jetsetdorito 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You should really upgrade to hunter3

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

But how did you see it? I used the spoiler tag

/s

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I only see ******* when you type hunter2

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Mine is bigboipassword123. Can't dictionary attack it cuz boi isn't in the dictionary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My parents. All written down on paper in handy notebooks for anyone that breaks in. Two entire lives and everything in them just there for the taking.

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[–] totallynotarobot 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I promise you that does not help.

I suspect a large number of these incidents are due to the password field in the login page allowing fewer characters than the field in the sign up page, so the password gets truncated. A couple of help desk meat shields have confirmed that for me, but mostly I think this because it seems to fix itself if I use a shorter password.

How short, you ask? Who tf knows! They sure as shit won't tell you! Just spend the next 20 minutes trying shit til it works, because you have nothing better to do with your time!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My company doesn't tell you what the AD policy is for changing your domain logon password but windows will just tell you that it doesn't meet the policy. What IS the password policy you ask?

Well it's uh... 🤷‍♂️

Try again!

[–] totallynotarobot 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am annoyed on your behalf.

I've had goons tell me they can't tell me the character max because of "security"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, of course! Security through obscurity.

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[–] EtherealZucchini 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I’ve noticed this a few times as well. It’s pretty bad.

[–] totallynotarobot 3 points 2 years ago

Thank you for validating my self-indulgent rant :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I do use a password manager but this shit still happens. Does anyone know why? Something to do with a "password hash", I think...

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] TheGoldenGod 10 points 2 years ago

If it helps, I think we’re all in this picture at some point lol.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

C00kies!

6 months later: C00kies?

6 months later: C00kies!

6 months later: C00kies?

This is how it's done.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or use a fucking password manager like Bitwarden or Keepass

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I won't say where I work but we have strict password requirements including that they have to be exactly 8 characters long.

Yeah our passwords aren't very secure as we also have to change them every 90 days and if you miss the window by 3 days you have to call the IT desk to reset it which takes about 45 minutes to an hour. And in that time you basically can't get anything done.

At home I use a password manager and all my passwords are randomly generated and whenever possible 2fa is enabled.

[–] Trapping5341 4 points 2 years ago

Personally I would use a password manager for at work as well. Bitwarden can generate 8 character passwords. Easy enough to remember and if you forget it's right there on your phone.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ahh, so you all also shop at target online, eh?

[–] x4740N 3 points 2 years ago

I'm guessing this is american target and not Australian target

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And that’s why I generate my passwords randomly.

Thank you Bitwarden.

[–] totallynotarobot 2 points 2 years ago

So do I. This still happens.

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