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MeanwhileOnGrad

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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


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Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

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You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


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I joined lemmy after reddit API changes, as many people did. At first, it was amazing. The community felt so alive, so friendly and welcoming. Obviously, the activity wasn't exactly as large as it was on reddit, but I was patient, I knew more stuff was coming, and I was excited for it.

Unfortunately, this period would not last long. It would not last even a week until I got into my first argument with a tankie. I saw them and argued with them from time to time on reddit, but people there usually saw right through the bullshit and downvoted them to oblivion.

Here, it was so much different. They were all upvoted and supported by hordes more tankies. Constant genocide denial in China, support for Ruzzia, and somehow, for North Korea.

In retrospect, I should have left then, abandoned lemmy then and there, not really return to reddit, just leave both alone. I would have saved myself some sanity.

But I didn't, which I regret. I wasted my time here, constantly seeing this bullshit, and sometimes, I didn't even have the motivation or energy to argue with them.

The amount of genocide denial, dictatorship praising, and insane arguments I've seen in a month blew past the amount of this shit I've seen on reddit in a fucking decade.

I don't see the future in this, none whatsoever. Lemmy will be here, but it will always stay a tankie hellhole unless you block thousands of people and whole instances. And if you do, the tankies will always just migrate to other instances to keep spreading hate.

You guys are awesome. Keep doing what you are doing, but I am tired of this bullshit and I am done.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Everytime I see these posts and comments I think:

“Where????”

I’ve seen 10 times more people complaining about tankies than actual tankies denying genocide. In fact, I can’t seem to think back to a single instance of someone denying China’s past acts.

Do you guys go to different instances or do you sort by controversial?

My issue with lemmy is that it basically become super political (thank you US election for ruining media again).

[–] PugJesus 9 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

“Where???”

Any active political thread about China.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Can someone fill me into what a tankie is? I'm a progressive socialist, so do I fit that category? I'm genuinely in the dark about it

OP just seems mad that this is a communist safe zone

[–] PugJesus 8 points 14 hours ago

I’m a progressive socialist, so do I fit that category? I’m genuinely in the dark about it

No. In fact, they would regard progressive socialists as 'controlled opposition'. Tankies are typically Marxist-Leninists who constantly play apologia for fascist states painted red, like China and North Korea, and will always find some reason why fascist states not even painted red, like Russia, are Good, Actually, because they oppose the West.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago

I blocked ml and hexbear and rarely encounter them now. When I do, I block the user individually. It’s made lemmy delightful, frankly.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While I have my run ins with tankies sometimes, I actually don’t think it’s that bad. Join an instance that blocks lemmygrad and hexbear, ignore lemmy.ml or block it too and you’re golden.

That’s the power of fediverse, it’s flexibility.

Also tankies have a strong foothold on Lemmy, because they were here first. But they are not as numerous as you or they themself think. Watch them outside of their safespace communities and see them downvoted into oblivion.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The fact you can block an instance where communities reside that you have issues with is incredible!

It’s like if Reddit gave you a feature to block a subreddit and all the users that subscribed to it in one single action.

Edit: OP should try creating an account on different instances? For instance on the instance hosting the community that just posted this to..?

I have several accounts and sh.itjust.works has been doing a stellar job with managing the toxicity from leaking into this instance.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Yes, absolutely! The ability to do that immensely valuable.

I actually don’t like to use it too much, because I like to see whats going on and don’t want to lock myself into a bubble.

But my instance is thankfully defederated from lemmygrad and hexbear and I think about blocking .ml too. I think nothing of worse will be lost.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

lemmy.cafe blocks the big three and has good uptime

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago

just subscribe and block man. in a buffet you don't have to taste everything. grab what you want. I block magazines im even just not interested in like sports so that when I do all I don't have to see them. there is a wierd view people have that subscribing is great and blocking is bad. if someone subscribes to stuff and never looks at all then its the same as if they blocked everything except what they subscribed to. Its all just filtering.

[–] rustyfish 26 points 1 day ago

I took a look at your profile and I think they aren’t the actual problem here. I mean, yes. Their dicksucking of dictators is strong. Like, holy shit! Go easy of the slurping, boys!

But if you waste your time in places where they are dominant, you’re gonna have a bad time no matter what. You should avoid those places or (even better) learn to not give that much of a fuck what others say online. Online communities should not be able to have a significantly negative impact on your mental wellbeing.

I hope you find a bit of relief. Take care!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Yo Mate don't take what you see here so seriously, block .ml and stop looking at your phone. You'll be doing yourself a favour.

I have been in more arguments here than on reddit but I think it has more to do with the fact that I have a certain attachment to this federated platform.

I really want its model to succeed and when I see toxicity here it hurts way more than when it's on reddit/Facebook etc...

A lot of people are here in their own safezone so the moment you disturb someone even so slightly they go berserk.

it's hard to respect shitty opinions but it's best for you to just avoid and block. Real life is stressful enough you don't need to stress yourself more online.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (8 children)

There's plenty of instances that block the 2 tankie instances and even .ml. This is a self-inflicted problem.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PugJesus 3 points 16 hours ago
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[–] PugJesus 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's nice here on instances which have both Grad and Hexbear blocked. I remember the early days on .world, when Grad was still federated. Those were some high-intensity dipshits.

Anyway, you do what you need to for your mental health, my guy/gal/nonbinary pal. If ever you change your mind, most of us brainrotted terminally online types will still be here when you come back - and hopefully will have continued to marginalize the tankie fuckwads.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lemmy.cafe is pretty cool with ML blocked, though I’ve noticed a seepage of tankies into .world and lemmee unfortunately

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

lemm.ee is one of two other instances that I've seen a high frequency of Tankies as well, even in this very thread.

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[–] PugJesus 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Really? I've noticed a decline in tankies, at least in the long-term. I remember when World News and Political Memes still had significant tankie contingents. Like, 1/5 comments/votes were tankies. Now it's more like 1/10. There are just a handful of prolific tankie or tankie-adjacent posters which linger, like a fart in an elevator.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

On Reddit it was more so the Nazis, while here it's the Tankies that rule the bullshit narratives. And the mod abuse here is also very similar to that on Reddit, which is worrying because the platform is small enough where moderation would be comparatively easier.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Mod abuse happens because of the power given to mods and the expectations of the communities they are in. Lemmy did nothing to update how mods work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy did nothing to update how mods work.

Public modlogs are a big change

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

All it does is records mods performing abuse.

[–] lemmyseikai 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Did you mean tools are given to mods?

Power is given, and hardly survives being taken.

TenForward forking from StarTrek is a clean demonstration of power. When abused less (or not at all) it thrives.

Sauce: Power Paradox

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

TenForward forking from StarTrek is a clean demonstration of power. When abused less (or not at all) it thrives.

And that same thing happened on Reddit to some subs even before the mod revolt.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

May I suggest trying out

lemmy.cafe

(which blocks ML too, on top of grad and hexbearg)

and only subscribing to non-political communities

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

“…and sometimes, I didn't even have the motivation or energy to argue with them.”

May I suggest just ignoring things (words, NOT actions) you don’t agree with? I don’t go to churches / temples / mosques / synagogues etc to yell at believers. I don’t post hunting photos in vegan and veterinarian subs. It takes two to tango.

In my personal experience I see much less “debatability” coming from (some) .world accounts - but I understand user experience varies massively from person to person.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We need a Lemmy tankie blocklist.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I sometimes might block a little too liberally, so perhaps some of the people here are just TANKIE LIGHT^TM^ but I think 95% of my blocks are full blown tankies, and if instance is ML I won’t do any due diligence, instant block when you say something sketchy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I find the tankies entertaining personally

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

That's the thing with the fediverse. You end up getting instances where certain beliefs are held more strongly. The solution is to go somewhere where those instances are just straight up defederated (or ask your instance admin to do something). This does result in the instances who remain federated seeing less push-back against extremist views.

On the fediverse you're more in control of what you're able to see through your choice of instance, which affects the "all" view, and which comments show up on posts, obviously defederated instances' comments won't be there; who you follow or what communities you subscribe to, and your block lists.

If your instance chose not to do anything about tankie instances (or individual tankie accounts), then that's on your instance and its admins, not Lemmy as a whole.

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