Please, I don't mean to be thick, but can someone ELI10 ? I honestly read the article and the comments, but I don't think I fully appreciate or understand the problem beyond the surface level (incompatible licenses). I mean, like so what? Who is screwing whom here? How are the going to circumvent this? And what tree are they referring to?
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Imagine having such a hard-on for letting corporations exploit your work in abusive Tivoized products that you stoop to retaliation against a company that's actually trying to protect their customers.
one of the awesome things about buying a linux laptop from a linux company like tuxedo is that you don't have to worry about things like this since they have paid developers who maintain their own distro to "take care" of things like this and buying one of these linux laptops has made my experience smooth and thought free as a mac user.
it's a double edge sword however: lemmy has taught me that smooth sailing with linux laptops keeps you unaware of the trouble that lurks beneath the surface and that's disconnected me from the general linux user experience and has gated me from understanding the common themes and problems they encounter; i've started a new linux build and this time i'm going to do it the same way everyone here does, with a windows laptop.
they have paid developers
They should pay lawyers as well.
Lawyers cost A LOT more than developers
that's disconnected me from the general linux user experience
are we romanticizing having a broken system?
@bunitor @eldavi yeah, why? This just shows that, if more hardware companies actively supported linux, there would be no issues left for non-tech end users, which would be awesome.
Please buy laptops and desktops from tuxedo, system76, framework, etc, and recommend them. They're doing a great job and do deserve the support.
Please buy laptops and desktops from tuxedo, system76, framework, etc, and recommend them. They’re doing a great job and do deserve the support.
amen. i'll continue to buy from them for the things that i depend on (eg low cost personal servers and high end work laptops); but i plan to use a generic low-spec windows laptop for daily driving to teach me what the general linux user experience is like these days since lemmy is showing me that i still get something out of helping other people while i simultaneously get to leverage my knowledge and experience in an arena that's been enabling my life for these last 3 decades to do so.
it's bit like the mandates that i get from my management as an individual contributor; but more "WTF" and the "TIL's" that i get from it makes it more fun for me.
Preferably the drivers and quirks of the hardware would all be patched upstream so that you don’t need to use a distro with the fixes patched in.
very much so in addition to creating a new project for myself that's exciting; that's a big deal to me because i can't remember the last time in decades that i felt any excitement over any linux based project.
i learn best by challenging my knowledge and it teaches me where i'm ignorant and i can use that specify which areas to focus my self education.
i have a regular desktop computer and a very smooth user experience here, no complaints.
laptops can be hit or miss because of all the custom proprietary crud in them.
laptops can be hit or miss because of all the custom proprietary stuff in them.
my experience is the same and that's why i'm going with a laptop; i wonder if the skills i've picked up since the last time i tried are going to help any since they're the kind of skills that get you paid in the linux world.
selfhosting is more like that tbh. unless you mean cherrypicking and adapting drivers for your kernel and this sort of stuff.. general desktop troubleshooting helps to a point imo
Agreed it's great that they provide firmware support and (hopefully) upstream it eventually. But I also hope they have well documented steps somewhere on how to install it on another distro, because it's likely many people install their own anyways.
i'm glad you brought that up; lemmy has taught me that people will use those linux company distros w/o the support and it blows my mind and makes me agree that they should be upstreaming it; i know that system76 does (eventually) and i wonder if tuxedo or anyone else does as well.
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What are you talking about? I run (atomic) fedora and I have a smooth experience.
You could easily sell your mac and buy a normal computer to have a smooth experience if the mac results in lots of problems
i don't have a mac anymore; but this exactly why i'm pursing this project: the last time i did this fedora atomic didn't exist and i'm likely to encounter that it's more rock solid than the fedora distros that i used to daily drive with before buying a linux laptop directly from the linux factory.
why would they use the gplv3 in the first place? didn't they know it's incompatible with v2?
Because the linux is explicitly only gpl2. If it was gpl2+ then gpl3 code could use it. It's a very known problem around the incompatibility of some licenses. The kernel people explicitly only want to use gpl2 and refuse changing the license because it's better for companies that want to use linux without giving back the code.
kek if true
did you understand my question?
They know it's better than v2.
enjoy having the best blacklisted drivers on linux then i guess