Europe Can’t Fund ‘Lost’ War in Ukraine Without US, Orban Says : worldnews

[–] 9point6 128 points 1 month ago (27 children)

Once again, Orban says exactly what Putin wants him to say

At some point it becomes malicious to even print what he says

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[–] makyo 59 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He’s wrong of course, Europe’s economy is many times stronger than Russia’s. The real question is if they can find the collective will to defend themselves.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

In a sane world, orban, putin, Fico and Trump would have been rid of years ago

[–] justdoitlater 22 points 1 month ago

Orban is a traitor to democracy and mankind, fuck him.

[+] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

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[–] uebquauntbez 8 points 1 month ago

Orban only fears the EU gives less money to him.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't put a shithead's message in the headline. It spreads it. Headlines must be true, not false.

Look up George Lakoff videos, everybody.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Eurozone is structurally neoliberal, austerian, and anti-Keynesian, and Europe—which was already greatly de-industrialized—is right now further de-industrializing thanks to their self-imposed sanctions against Russia (and thanks to their NATO “partner” blowing up their gas pipeline), which has raised energy prices.

Orban is correct.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not a great guy, but in this case he is completely right.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Americans are going to get out of this war,

I just hope he is correct

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hope the Russians get out of it as it has hurt them the most.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It has unquestionably hurt the Ukrainian people the most.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Americans aren't in the war. They're just dealing in arms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Americans are in the war, but Western media aren’t going to broadcast that. We have support forces in Ukraine, we provide Ukraine with invaluable intel and targeting data, we have American volunteers in the International Legion (one of whom was killed in action this week, and he wasn’t the first). Biden announced yesterday that he’s going to let even more Americans directly fight in this war.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

The international legion is made up of people from around the world, not just the US. It's not under US command. US civilians can act as they wish. Their actions are not the actions of their country.

The story you link is Biden relaxing US corporations taking up supply and support contracts. The article even says that these organisations will NOT be fighting, yet you willfully misinterpret it.

The USA, the country, is not in Ukraine.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

For all the people here "supporting Ukraine" because you know, if Putin captures Ukraine then he will genocide Ukrainians and all that - this is exactly the same narration that Zelensky's regime is using to kidnap people and send them to the meatgrinder (kill them). A video from Kharkiv where TCC attempts to kidnap people from a bus scaring them with "Russian World" coming to Ukraine: https://files.catbox.moe/c72hez.MP4

People in the bus are accusing them of being "a traitor to the motherland" and telling them to go fuck themselves. But you know better what those people should do, right? They all should go and die for your wild fantasies of "but but but Putin will invade the whole world if we don't stop him (well, not you personally of course, why would you go and fight your wars, but you know, Ukrainians)".
After all, Zelensky said that Ukrainians are willing to fight, and he would never lie, right? All the videos, articles in your western medias about people NOT wanting to fight but still being exterminated by Zelensky's regime, etc are fakes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Eh, and as almost my every comment like this one, it got reported from LW user with reason "pro Russian bot" :/
If you think that caring about peoples' lives and posting evidence of human right abuses is somehow a sign of a person being Russian, or just something that is worth a condemnation.. What kind of mental gymnastics routine are you doing every morning to still consider yourself a good person?..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know, I would be surprised that you say this insane shit, but you are in a libertarian instance, so irony is lost. Although I've never seen a libertarian tankie, so thats new. Fuck the government unless that government is a fascist one with a dictator, then that is okay of course

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Fuck the government unless that government is a fascist one with a dictator, then that is okay of course

What? I just criticized a fascist government with a dictator, and you accuse me of not doing that? 🤦‍♂

And what is "insane" in my comment?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ukranian governement is not fascist, nor with a dictator. If they werent invaded by a fascist imperialist government, they would have had elections by now. They don't have them, because the polling places would be shelled by orcs, as they always shell civilians.

Posting a random video, with a story, without providing a single fucking source (that isn't russian propaganda). You also insinuated zelenski is exterminating his people, which is insane

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Ukranian governement is not fascist, nor with a dictator.

It is both. Zelensky's regime ticks almost every (or just every) description of fascism from wikipedia. He is a dictator. Even your comment in the next sentences doesn't DISPROVE it, you merely try to JUSTIFY it.

Posting a random video, with a story, without providing a single fucking source (that isn't russian propaganda).

I (re)posted dozens of such videos already, where my compatriots who haven't managed to escape Zelensky's murderous regime either fight kidnapping attempts from TCC, or try to escape or are getting caught and busified.
This was described countless times in western media https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html and I actually just found out it is also described in wikipedia now, including the word busification https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis, and yet there is always someone to deny it. As for my sources, I mainly take it from Ukrainian telegram channels, where people post those from first sources.
"Ухилянт Iнфо": https://t.me/+ECYgfpxkTz4zOGNh
"Ховайся": https://t.me/HOVAYSY
"Реальний Київ": https://t.me/kievreal1

But Ukrainians are Russian bots now, right? How dare we, not willing to die for your interests?

You also insinuated zelenski is exterminating his people, which is insane

Why? He literally forbade people from leaving the country, kidnaps people one by one off the streets and sends them to their deaths. How is this not an extermination? Every moment he remains in power is a moment he exterminates more and more Ukrainians, if he won't be stopped he will kill everyone.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago

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