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Palestinians in the West Bank are largely pessimistic about Donald Trump’s re-election, viewing it as unlikely to significantly worsen their already dire situation, though some fear it could embolden Israeli actions.

Trump’s support for Israel’s far-right policies, including the potential dismantling of the UN agency Unrwa and backing of Israeli settlements, could deepen economic hardship and escalate violence against Palestinians.

While some Palestinians worry about increased oppression, others see a Trump presidency as a chance to expose brutal realities, possibly sparking stronger resistance.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

I can see how it can't get much worse but it can go on for far longer than it otherwise would. Tell me again what the us recognizes as the capital of israel?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (4 children)

But at least Democrats were taught a lesson right libs? Right??

.... Right?

[–] zerog_bandit 20 points 2 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The DNC and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory: Name a more iconic duo.

[–] FlyingSquid 28 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

The DNC didn't make anyone see a man who promised to be a dictator, who quoted Hitler, who said immigrants were poisoning the blood of our country, who promised 1500% tariffs, who chose Vance as a running mate and who shows very clear signs of significant cognitive decline and say, "I'm not going to stop that guy from getting into office."

There is not a single reason that an American voter can give me that would justify not voting for Harris and allowing this to happen.

I don't care how much you didn't like Harris. Trump is worse in every possible way.

But enjoy this gloating time now. You won't be gloating in four years when there's going to be a Putin-style election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

All very true.

I do think it's worth mentioning that the "lesser evil" politics that she ran on has never worked for anyone, not even once? She aligned herself with several popular conservatives positions (deportation, stronger border policy, continued financial and armaments support to Israel). But conservatives had no reason to vote for her over Trump. This swath of voters who wanted what she offered does not exist. The ones who want those things want other things too, things that Trump offers them.

So her best position was being the lesser of two evils, being better than Trump but still not a progressive candidate. That political angle failed the DNC in 2016, and it failed them again. This is entirely the failure of the DNC to be a progressive party. They chose neoliberal conservatism to the bitter end and threw us all under the bus with it.

The number of leftists and muslism who didn't vote for Harris on principal is far lower than any amount that would have saved her. She resoundingly lost this election in every possible way.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The is the correct energy, and exactly the correct thing to say. Thanks for saying it. Now I can type this shorter message instead!

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 2 hours ago

You're welcome. The numbness is wearing off and the anger is setting in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

being angry at voters who didn't vote the way you wanted them to isn't going to actually achieve anything, though

harris didn't even win the popular vote. it wasn't even a particularly close election. you can't not blame the dnc after a defeat like this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

I can and I will. If voters are ok with fascism, fuck them. And if women are ok with being considered objects to own, fuck them too. This "I didn't feel energised to go vote" bullshit is just bullshit to avoid take responsibility. You had a choice: fascism or not. You chose fascism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

In a democracy, the correct approach is to hold the majority accountable for their leader's actions, especially when the leader is doing exactly what they said they would do. Non voters are also complicit by standing by silently, so I'm not opposed to holding them accountable too.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

What do you think is achievable at this point? America is going to turn into a fascist dictatorship and lots of voters did not give enough of a shit to stop it.

You want to tell me being angry at voters achieves nothing? Neither does blaming the DNC. American democracy is over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

I don't understand why you believe the DNC is deserving of some measure of protection from criticism.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

if you honestly believe that's the future of the us, you should probably leave the country

you should probably have been planning to leave the country for the last three months, since the election never went more than 60% in harris' favor

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I am leaving the country.

I didn't trust people like you to keep my queer daughter safe because I knew there was only one genocide that mattered to you when it came to voting.

I'm a dual citizen with the UK where the current government is going to ban conversion therapy, there's socialized medicine and there is no one saying they'll be a dictator.

And no, I don't care what you have to say about how bad the UK is, they're not going to march my daughter into a conversion camp. If I could take every queer person with me, I could. America is not safe for them anymore.

[–] small44 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Even if all third party voters voted to Harris she would still lose. So the hell are you talking about? What I don't understand is how American can still vote to the same goddamn two parties

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 1 hour ago

Please quote where I mentioned third party voters. Because that was not the only way people let Trump win. Plenty of them didn't vote at all.

[–] maplebar 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Ah the DNC, the classic boogieman of the geniuses who decide not to vote when a criminal who loves Hitler is running for office after already having tried overturning democracy once. Yes it's the DNC's fault you couldn't be bothered to lift a fucking pen against fascism.

[–] chakan2 0 points 2 hours ago

If only Stein...or something like that.

[–] hemmes 1 points 2 minutes ago

We’ll trade votes with non-swing state constituents!

Fucking morons

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 hours ago

No no, I was told repeatedly that Trump would be no worse than Harris. Clearly the Palestinians on the ground are wrong somehow.

[–] small44 2 points 1 hour ago

I hate those type of article talking to 4 or 5 person than generalize it to the whole population. Palestinians are not a monolotic entity with only one opinion