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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Capitalism is designed to give power to the few at the top. Nothing about it is a meritocracy, its a funnel of money straight to whoever can exploit the system more than the rest. Has nothing to do with merit, but to "get yours" through whatever means necessary, including crushing those employees who actually do the hard labor that they then extract wealth from.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie -4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Say, the system was designed to prevent cheating. Could a meritocracy exist?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Define cheating. I doubt many CEOs would consider anything they've done to get to the position they are as "cheating".

To "cheat", one must break the rules. And the rules have been designed to not only allow for but encourage current behavior.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It can't.

It's a logistical nightmare. In order to be rewarded for your efforts, you need some system of evaluating the worth of every effort. Any societal system that exists is made by at least one person, and every person had biases and ambitions.

There's no way to prevent cheating, because any rule to prevent cheating will be ignored, because that's what cheating is. Any rules to make cheating harder only make it harder, not impossible.

Oh look, it seems the act of deciding a person's worth to society is 100 times the worth of a labourer. And the worth of a writer for Batman is 20 times the worth of a writer for Spider Man. Oh, my physicist girlfriend just broke up with me... Looks like that's practically worthless now!

Wait, what's a youtuber? Is that a new thing? I made my value system back in 2002, so this is all new to me! You're not on the list, so I guess you're not worth anything? I guess we could make the list again, and while we're there, my opinions on Batman have changed, so we can tweak some other things too.

Ah, the problem is that a person's worth is entirely subjective... But what if we press it down into clear and objective statistics? What if we limit it to a single statistic, and a person's value is entirely related to raising that statistic? We can call the statistic... Capital!

So a person's value in society is entirely tied to their ability to obtain as much capital as possible, no matter what they do. Ah, meritocracy.

[–] derekabutton 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nepotism obviously existed before capitalism, and it will surely exist at some level in the next economic system, but it's not an either/or. There are many, many problems with capitalism that would probably still exhibit if nepotism somehow immediately ceased.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The implementation of US capitalism wasn't intended to fend off nepotism, so of course it continued on.

[–] derekabutton 11 points 1 week ago

I don't think that speaks to my point. Capitalism is flawed with or without nepotism.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I earn more than most medical doctors in my home country. They save lives, while I write software that could disappear tomorrow and no chaos would ensue. But I do earn my employers more money than the doctor does.

The only world in which this is right is a world where you only care about yourself and being rich. Meritocracy is inherently subjective and depends largely of what you value to give people merit, and in a lot of cases that's "we fucked over two dozen tiny companies with patent troll lawsuits and made millions".

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you think capitalism and greed go hand in hand, as I do, then it's capitalism. Netflix, for one, was a great service and it's been profitable for decades but the price hikes, account sharing crackdowns, and increasing promotion of own content really turned it into shit, all in the name of more profits.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Capitalism = greed is a very simplified take.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If only nuance had any sort of value to the lay person.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Oh, nuance definitely has value, but only where it exists. You can look for nuance in capitalism all you like, but you won't find anything. It's just greed.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts 9 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The issue with pure capitalism is that it reduces people's interactions to their economic value but some people do not have economic value, or have little economic value and no power to redress it. So capitalism can be efficient but can also be efficiently cold hearted.

Nepotism is only an issue where owners define it as an issue. Obviously the workforce at large stands to benefit from meritocracy but so do shareholders. In a free market, inadequate appointments due to nepotism should put a company at a disadvantage. But compare that with a family farm where the owners (shareholders) might prefer nepotism (appointment of a son/daughter to management) rather than opening the role to the job market. Few people object to this small scale nepotism, but should they object if shareholders of a large corporation wanted to do the same? Isn't it their money after all? The chief issues with nepotism are when it's done against the wishes of the owners of the company. But this is increasingly difficult with shareholder approval of board members and so on.

Obviously nepotism into monopolistic companies is a problem because of lack of competition but this only joins all the other problems already caused by monopolies.

In a healthy capitalism, competition is maintained. And if that's done then the risks presented by nepotism are diminished because poor appointments ought to lead to poor results.

Ironically, it's in extensive socialist state monopolies that nepotism is most dangerous primarily because of the decreased market competition.

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[–] the_toast_is_gone 6 points 1 week ago

Capitalism isn't the problem. Any economy run by human beings is going to have cronyism.

[–] theywilleatthestars 1 points 1 week ago
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