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[–] ulkesh 60 points 1 month ago (48 children)

Odd, I seem to remember reading the exact same headline in 2020. Perhaps Americans just hate life in America because of 60 years of nonstop existential bullshit.

The downward spiral of education, the constant fight or flight news cycle, and the rise of the unfettered oligarchy have vastly contributed to the current state of America.

I’m reminded nearly every day of Carl Sagan’s “foreboding” quote from “The Demon-Haunted World”.

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[–] jordanlund 45 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Majority of Americans don't remember struggling to find toilet paper.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah, 4 years ago was the pandemic. Either people can't do math, can't remember 4 years ago, or just think "worse" means "bad now"...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Majority of people would rather wipe with their hands than be trapped in their "workplace".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Maybe because that shortage lasted about a week

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Democrats (72%) are much more likely than independents (35%) or Republicans (7%) to view themselves as “better off.”

So, it's basically all political. I bet if exactly the same economic scenario played out over the past four years,but with Trump as the president, the numbers would be reversed with 72 percent of Republicans and 7 percent of Democrats viewing themselves as better off.

[–] DocMcStuffin 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I would mostly agree. The poll peaks in 2020 when there was COVID, a virus that was putting people in the hospital on ventilators and had a mortality rate we hadn't experienced for over a century. Along with a healthcare system barely holding on, lockdowns, masking, social distancing, a major recession, people losing their jobs, kids going back to school with all that chaos, and in the middle of one of the most chaotic and stressful presidential elections in history. BUT 55% of people were better off in 2020. Hmm.....

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is this specific to the US? I could see this worldwide.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would say that a poll which is about the majority of Americans is specific to the U.S., yes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

The poll is specific, my question is whether the issues underlying this poll are worldwide and not just affecting the US, meaning the US is just following a worldwide trend.

Income inequality, the pandemic, the recovery from it, greedflation are issues that affect more than just the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Notice how it says four years? It's trumputinist propaganda. And yes, you can see it worldwide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

A lot of countries have four year election cycles, but I think it's just a general "are we doing better than a few years ago? no!" vibe.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Funny, because four years ago I was afraid of dying if I got too close to a stranger. And I was massively depressed (I'm on an antidepressant now). There was no timeline on things getting better.

I'm now vaxxed, boosted, in treatment. I'm cooly watching to see what develops and if the wrong one wins, I'm leaving. I badly hope that I get to stay where I am because I love the area, but I'm not sticking around if fascism wins.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

But every year I read that the rich are getting ever richer...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Makes sense, things have been on a downward trend for decades.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

I'll admit that I was one of the privileged few who were comfortable and secure during the pandemic: i had a job that could be remote without issue and i lived in a city that took precautions seriously

But

  • remote employment was a 100% improvement to being stuck in my office and in a toxic environment
  • because I was remote, there was no pressure to work extra hours when my projects didn't require it, which meant my work-life balance was much better
  • the student loan moratorium helped me and my wife finally save up for a house down-payment and get ahead on our debt
  • with the extra financial and work security, I finally reached a healthy weight and was the most fit i had been since college

Now, my weight is back up, my job is much less secure, my finances are strained again, and I feel like our future financial security is in question because the economy is dominated by two or three companies that may come crashing back down if AI turns out to be a bubble

This question is so subjective and incredibly personal, so i question the utility of it. But there's no question for me about how precarious my personal situation feels now vs back in 2020. Back then, our primaries and much of the Campaign revolved around questions that had significant impacts on my life, but this cycle none of what is being discussed in the campaigns have much to do with my personal security. I don't know if my remote job will last, I don't know how long my house (that I bought in 2021 thanks to covid stimulus efforts) will be worth more than my mortgage, I don't know if the items I rely on will continue inflating in cost or not, ect.

Again, I'm incredibly privileged. But democrats have switched focus to what happens if Trump wins, instead of focusing on what happens if they win. Seems like nothing significant is on the table for my family's security, and that doesn't comfort me at all. There's just no hope in this election, all there seems to be is fear.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Humans believe things they hear constantly repeated to them, and somehow every right-wing party on earth has money to run constant ads telling people things are shitty.

Graph showing millennials have finally made more money than their parents at this age

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

a truly baffling data visualization thank you

[–] ikilledlaurapalmer 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah wtf is going on. Can the WP no longer afford to edit anything?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The median net worth for millenials tripled between 2019 and 2022? How the fuck did that happen?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

People assume that covid was super miserable for everyone... But a global plague is preferable to pointless forced attendance at "employment" for many many people. I know lots of people who miss it. And much of that progress has been completely reversed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

People forget about how much it felt like labor and employment were about to be revolutionized for the better back then. It really seemed like employers were finally going to be forced to adapt to better conditions.

Now it feels like that's all being undone. How many companies still have their remote work options? How many people are willing to leave their jobs for something better now?

[–] rottingleaf 1 points 1 month ago

Covid was super miserable because some operational ties have formed on top levels of bureaucracies and businesses, which weren't there before it. And the covid tech bubble added to that. And the data collected by everyone using things like Zoom and Teams and other such, and probably accessible to governments, - owch.

It's a bit like neural connections in our brains, say, an ADHD person has severe lack of some of them, but if they take meds when they are still developing, some subset of those will actually form and make them more capable for various tasks.

This consolidation has really accelerated our time's remake of something like 30 years war.

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