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That is why States like Indiana took away the public's right to petition law. Only elected members (who are heavily bribed) can bring forth any law that is to be presented.
That's essentially what Ohio is trying to do by holding an (illegal) August election. Basically to make citizen ballot issues impossible to bring.
The fun part is that Indiana can still have ballot referendums- if the legislature wants them. Of course, they would never put abortion up to a vote. Not after Kansas.
I've been out of Indiana for nearly 20 years but if I remember right the last state wide referendum in Indiana was over a hundred years ago. Counties sometimes do school referendums though.
That wouldn't surprise me. Congratulations on getting out.
It should be in our constitution. Citizens should have the power to override representatives that are not representing their interests.
For House members, no. Their two year term is essentially that already. Senate members yes.
It's definitely going to vary from state to state, but this seems like a good strategy for protecting abortion in states which permit these.
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They're so utterly fucked.
Warning: Doom pilling ahead. Read with caution if you retain any hope for bettering the US through “democratic” means.
Am I on crazy pills? This question or feeling is always running through my mind for the last few years specifically but really the last solid decade and longer in which I’ve been a “productive adult!” living in the world.
My first presidential election I could vote in was 2008. I voted for Obama in the primaries and for president. Within a year or so I can’t say I regretted it because, really, wtf was the alternative? If you consider the finalists to be Hillary, Barrack, and John McCain… shoot me now. But Obama was implying a shitload of stuff. Free healthcare finally! We have 60 senators to burst the (made up by hey!) filibuster-proof limit. What, you only need 50 and just throw the filibuster out? Well we have 60!…. ! Right?
I was basically a naive 20ish year old taken for a fucking ride by the biggest liar and scam artist you can imagine. Of course it wasn’t just me it was probably every young person under like 30 at the time who actually wanted the shit Obama promised (and then immediately balled up and threw into the trash bin).
After that shit I couldn’t tell you what happened for the next 6-7 years of his shithole presidency. I turned my brain off. Something I can realize now was a privilege not everyone gets. But it’s what happened regardless. Probably exactly the intended effect. Shut down all the left leaning (or whatever the fuck I was at 19/20 who can really say? I did know I wanted healthcare and to not be drafted into a war) elements of the democratic voting base, shove them all away, and basically cause Trump to come in years later. It wasn’t only that, but it certainly didn’t help when you open-ass blast all the younger people and then come back in 8 years pleading them to vote for a warmonger and not the cheeto guy.
Anyway, fast forward though and look back at the last 15 years. When has ANY government, and especially the federal and states (to lesser degree but still), been listening to the goddamn people? Abortion has always been a policy that polls around 70-80% in the pro-abortion/pro-choice (whatever wording) column. It’s just one of those issues many people might be personally… whatever… towards but every woman and most men realize it’s necessary to keep it legal even if you object to some (imo bullshit) “moral questions” around abortion. It cannot be restricted or you end up with “the good women” (using the right wing wording and logic) dying and/or suffering due to complications that should result in a doctor ending the pregnancy. It’s just something which has to fucking happen sometimes and it doesn’t matter how much you suck off Jesus or not. This necessarily requires allowing elective abortions too. Otherwise you’ll have cops/prosecutors crawling inside what goes on inside the doctor’s office. And that is where we have arrived. And now many right wingers, especially the morons who will suffer most from these policies, are going OH SHIT BUT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO OWN THE LIBS BY KILLING BLACK WOMEN AND WHOOORRRREES NOT ME! I’ll reserve my sympathies for a case by case basis, although broadly I do remain sympathetic because they were as brainwashed as anyone. Probably still are.
When has the government done popular policy like legalizing or at the least decriminalizing drugs (and not just weed which is still not even legalized). Reducing the military and cops? Providing college free of cost? Healthcare for all? These are all things which pass the popularity meter of 50% and are also DUH NO FUCKING SHIT easy win policies. No one (with a soul- fuck the hogs) wants to keep fucking seeing black dudes getting shot or choked to death by cops. No one wants to keep reading about and fearing themselves the bankruptcy and random violence of the healthcare system denying them treatment.
I just don’t see how anyone… gives a shit? To put it nicely. About these votes. “Giving a shit” to me, at this point, is basically doing a lot of stuff which I quite literally cannot type here. But it’s not happening. And yes it’s exactly whatever thing you’re thinking.
The federal and state governments are not legitimate and haven’t been since probably the beginning of this shitfest. But in the current day, for sure, absolutely not legitimate. Does anyone have a shred of faith that if this vote goes like 60% in the “make abortion legal” direction that the Rs won’t simply find a way to undermine that democratic vote? They’ve done it before! They do it all the time! I mean how many times do we gotta go THIS IS THE ONE THIS IS THE LAST STAND THIS IS IMPORTANT before people either shut up and accept their fate as serfs and objects owned by capitalists who control the politicians or actually do something? And no, voting when you already know the results will never be properly honored, isn’t really doing something. In fact an argument is easily made that they allow you to vote precisely to feel like it does matter and to keep stringing you along. It is hard to break that cycle and accept you are effectively powerless…….. within their rules anyway. The rules that they break at a whim anyway. What if a bunch of normal people started breaking the rules too? Hmm. I dunno. In the mean time I guess I’ll just keep being sad and completely rotted with doom.
My wife and I had our first, and currently only son, in December of 2019. As COVID took hold, I fell into a dark funk that I have yet to break free of. I took care of my son, but I pretty much stopped taking care of trivial things like my health, the health of my snake (who ended up paying the ultimate price), and my home. My hobbies and aspirations seemed to fade away almost overnight. I basically stopped living.
I have no idea how much of this is parenting or dread for the world I didn't create, turning to shit just in time for my son to experience it. It's been over 3 years and I still avoid doing anything extra at home or work, projects seem like overwhelming mountains, and I can't help but feel like nothing matters anymore. I survive, I don't live.
It's not fair to my son. I'm not suicidal, but as I have told my therapist, I don't feel like there's much outside the four walls of my home to give a shit about or try for. My whole self seemed to have died with COVID and all I have now is my wife and kid.
Today I'm pretty sure my wife and I are addicted to weed (legal in my state) and don't go out much. We work, come home take care of our kid, but really never do extra. I feel bad for my son. He's our world, but that's it. Week to week, we go through the grind but never feel like we're living. COVID laid bare something that had been previously obfuscated: the rich are gonna rich and we are just fodder for their wealth.
I guess I'm saying all this to yell into the void. I see your struggle, I am wading through my own shit, so at least you aren't alone. My therapist and wife say I can't change the world so focus on my kid. Problem is, my disdain for this world, my compulsive, defeated desire to "eat the rich," does affect my son, who will face the water shortages, the overwhelming heat, and the dying planet that will continue to crumble around us. The wealthy have ruined everything that could allow me to ignore their shittiness.
This recent bout with the wealthy hoovering up all the money started with Reagan, and it will all end with the death of our planet.
Peace, love, and humpty-ness forever!
It's appropriate to have doom to balance out encouragement. There's two sides to every coin, and there's reasons to support arguments in favor and arguments against. If it was cut and dried, there'd be no point in discussing politics.
I also find that people are motivated by different mindsets. I personally need hope of some kind to keep going. Thinking that we're on the way to getting things better is how I don't despair at politics and fall into a total depression. But I know that's not the case for everyone. Some people need to think the doom is imminent and unavoidable. Others need to think that both outcomes are equally plausible. It's just a variation on our personalities.
I'm saying all this because I don't think it's useful for anybody if I try and refute what you're saying. I don't know that I even disagree with it. There's plenty of reasons to think poorly of our future. Your perspective is absolutely fair and valid. In some ways it's audacious to have hope in light of it, but that doesn't make my mindset better than yours.
At the end of the day, if we show up to vote to try and make things better, I don't think there's a significant difference. It's two different roads that end up at the same destination. To some, the glass is half full, to others it's half empty, but everyone can agree it isn't as full as it could be.