That seems like an easy way to ignore your constituency's thoughts on reproductive health and weed.
Way to rule instead of represent.
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That seems like an easy way to ignore your constituency’s thoughts on ~~reproductive health and weed.~~ anything.
There would literally be no reason for ballot initiatives at all any more. And who's to say that Utah wouldn't try to say this applies to elections too? "Republicans argued it would be dangerous to have certain people elected to government that cannot be substantially controlled."
And remember. This Supreme Court.
Remember, there was a time when only white male landowners could vote. Senators weren't elected. The VP was whoever was 2nd place in the Presidential race. There would be nothing stopping this supreme court from using this law to take us right back there if not even further back under the guise of "constitutional originalism" or whatever flimsy justification they use. Could be considered too dangerous. And if those pesky things like "laws" are too dangerous for Republicans, let me tell you about brown people. Or black people. Or Democrats. Sit down, lady. Yes, you. The Utah government has just decided that women voting is just too dangerous, so since you don't vote, your opinion doesn't matter any more.
And since this bill is designed to be retroactive, what's to stop them from doing something like this:
- Bill: "This bill would make marijuana legal."
- Voters: "OK!"
- Legislators: Thanks for passing this! But it's too dangerous. New version: "This bill would make marijuana ~~legal~~ punishable by a 10 year minimum prison sentence." Now go round 'em up, boys! The voters voted for it! 10 year prison sentences for everybody!
Why is having the runner up be VP a bad thing? Asking seriously.
First thought that comes to my mind is conflict of interest, why would you help the other party when you could hinder them.
They are less likely to get along which would lead to additional drama.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this effectively mean that Utah lawmakers are asking voters to give them the power to ignore voters?
From the article:
Democrats decried the decision as a “power grab,” while Republicans argued it would be dangerous to have certain laws on the books that cannot be substantially changed. The proposal would let lawmakers apply their new power to initiatives from past election cycles.
Seriously, WTF?
There's so much to unpack in just two sentences.
Yup, and their only answer to the question of "what if this is abused" is "voters can still vote the representatives out if they do wrong".
Leaving silent the fact that the Utah supreme court just ruled that they did change/ignore voters choice in redistricting (total fucking gerrymandering).
So. "It's the law, so it's moral" is essentially what their end goal is, without mentioning that they would have near infinite power to make and pass any law they want.
Sure, but when you say it like that it sounds bad..
"like that", meaning "out loud"?
They literally already do this. When I lived there, medical marijuana was a ballot initiative. It passed with flying colors, but then the legislature kneecapped the entire bill, basically rewriting it from scratch to make the church happy.
They did it with the redistricting (gerrymandering)as well. And then the Utah Supreme court ruled against them, saying what they did was illegal. This passing would make what they did legal.
"The party of small government."
Yup, and their only answer to the question of “what if this is abused” is “voters can still vote the representatives out if they do wrong”.
Of course. I'm sure a senator voting for something like this in 2024 would be quaking in his boots over the punishment of maybe facing a primary challenge in 2030. That'll sure scare 'em.
Nobody says what voters should do about the six god damned years in between that they have to suffer under it.
Republicans think the public is too stupid to decide what they want.
I mean, this is Republicans we're taking about.
But Republican voters think politicians are talking about other people, not them.