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[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If she's serious she'll be a historically great president. But if it's PR. Not so much.

We'll see when the DNC starts. They can script all they want. But that will tell us the story. Who they invite. What they talk about. It's all theater of course. But it'll act as a barometer of where the politics are.

The DNC is first and foremost a corp. And I don't trust corps. Don't trust them any further than I trust Blackrock or Vanguard.

They can't collect donations if everyone is broke. They need people to have disposable income. And shit has got so bad now. They have to be feeling it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They can collect donations just fine. It was big, huge donors saying "I won't give the democrats one red nickel if Biden doesn't step down" that helped get Biden to concede his candidacy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

It was a combination of things. It was also the lack of voter enthusiasm risking down ballot races.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The announced speakers including both Clintons doesn't have me hopeful

[–] WhatAmLemmy 13 points 3 months ago

That'd be expected even if it were Bernie Sanders.

[–] Scallionsandeggs 2 points 3 months ago

Kinzinger, too. Plus with Bernie, Jayapal, and others attending a progressive side show I'm getting the sense progressives (or anyone staunchly anti-corporate) aren't going to get much time on the podium.

If they don't have significant local progressives like Chuy Garcia or Delia Ramirez up there, and their "local" speaker is Pritzker, I'm going to have a real hard time buying this campaign promise.

[–] experbia 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I gotta say, if it's all a PR act, it's dumb as fuck. it might work for this election but it will then disillusion millions of young voters permanently if she can't follow though on these promises, leading to a huge loss (or worse, migration) of young Democrat voters.

[–] LordKitsuna 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

She literally can't, even if she was actually 105% committed to it people seem to forget that overall the president actually has very little power. Without the cooperation of the house and Congress nothing in that vein will ever get done and no matter who gets elected our house in Congress have been split divided and useless for quite a while now

[–] CoggyMcFee 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why would someone downvote you. This is 100% true. Congress makes the laws. The president can set the agenda but things can only happen if there are enough people in Congress who will actually vote for it. Since we know 0 Republicans will ever help with anything, that means the Democrats need enough of a majority to overcome the GOP, and enough of a majority that one or two rogue Democrats looking to advance their own profile can’t hold it hostage. We had that for a brief time in the Obama admin and they passed the ACA. During the Biden admin Manchin alone could make a name for himself by blocking anything and everything.

It’s a crappy system where you have to control both houses with some breathing room, and the presidency, to get something done if one party decides to stonewall everything. But that’s the reality. Our system of government has serious problems.

However, assuming that the Democratic presidents are privately glad they can’t do most things they say they want to do, when they are never given the opportunity, and then using that assumption as the basis for cynicism, seems unreasonable. What do you gain by assuming this? Why not work as hard as we can to give them a real actual opportunity, and then see what happens.

[–] experbia 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think it's more about the attempt than the result. historically, we get a lot of promises of strong leadership and then no attempts to even start following through. in my opinion, this is a massive source of voter apathy both in general but especially among young people. "why bother? they're all liars anyway, nobody will really try to help us once they're in" - the kids energized into politics with Kamala's campaign will wither or defect permanently if she makes these promises and they vote for her because of it and she does the usual routine of ignoring them until reelection season swings around again. if they want any hope of banking on the new energized kids in future elections, she has to at least try and she has to be loud about doing it. if she doesn't, this will win us only 4 years.

when companies pay lobbyists to change laws and it doesn't work, they retry and retry and retry until they do it. same with unpopular surveillance and "security" bills. but when talk of important social reform come up, dems go "ehhh, it's unlikely to pass... don't even try, it's not worth it. it will just be a hassle..."

like yes, the prez cannot just make dictates to change laws like people wish. other parts of government have to be engaged to do these things. so... ENGAGE THEM

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[–] crystalmerchant 45 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Lmao the Democratic and Republican party are both bought and paid for by corporate money. I wholeheartedly and unabashedly support Harris/Walz but you can fuck right off with this stupid shit that Harris somehow is immune to the reality of our political financing structure (namely, megadonors, corporates, and PACs)

[–] Xanis 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm holding a hope that Walz hasn't succumbed to the greed yet. Though I expect Harris has to some degree. Like it or not, there is enough money in politics that most of us could probably be bought eventually, to lesser and greater extents.

The real question is "when?''.

[–] rottingleaf 4 points 3 months ago

Duplicating my comment in one TG chat (and roughly translating it to English):

this is like saying that "some girls are beautiful, and some are nice", or saying to someone "your family is good" ;

what the promises of regulating prices and such really tell is that there's no mention of actually splitting and killing those corporations and reducing their power.

In other words, oligopoly is nice, and power from centralization is nice (of course it is, since what a big corp can do, government can use), it's just prices that we want to fix.

State capitalism with a human face is what she's promising here.

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[–] Rapidcreek 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

"This is communist; this is Marxist; this is fascist.”

— Donald Trump, quoted by the New York Times, describing Kamala Harris’ economic agenda

So she's far-left, extreme-left, and extreme-right all at the same time?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trump doesn't really know or care about what words mean. He cares about how words feel.

Unfortunately, many people are the same way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It's the dementia. He should seek treatment.

[–] rottingleaf 3 points 3 months ago

Marxist is not extreme left, just a kind of left. You can be anything from a socdem to a bolshevik while remaining Marxist.

And stalinism one can call rather right and fascist, at the same time with Marxism used as a foundation, and it's not as easy as you'd think to find counterarguments to what they've come up in USSR to tie a totalitarian state to Marxism.

So there's one thing which is all these at the same time - stalinism.

By the way, if we give Trump's word hu-uge benefit of doubt and forget for a minute that we are humans, thus tribal apes, this is not that wrong.

She's talking about regulating prices and other populist and pretty socialist things, but she doesn't talk about killing oligopolies and preferential treatment. Which is kinda close to state capitalism with populist elements. Which would in rough strokes make things closer to stalinism in economic part.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Don't Think. Just Trump.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The title has no connection with article. Why are y'all upvoting?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, it does, in the sense that Harris has said she's going after greedflation and the article mentions that and then explains how it is definitely, actually greedflation and not normal supply and demand.

No it doesn't in the sense that it doesn't address how she's going to do that, but she hasn't said that either so what else can they say?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Something like Harris to go after greedflation: but what is it? Or something along those lines would be meaningful. Title sounds like she's taking action now, which then leads to disappointment.

[–] Huschke 3 points 3 months ago

You expect people to read the article? You must be new here. 😅

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[–] TokenBoomer 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] hate2bme 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You got that right. Talk is cheap. Presidential candidates are basically used car salesman.

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[–] riodoro1 8 points 3 months ago

Politician before the election promises stuff.

No, sure this time is different.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Hope so. This is very low hanging fruit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Kamela is good

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