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[–] FlyingSquid 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why am I doubting that he was not at fault?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I also doubt that he was just "moving his mom's automobile".

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Language is magic for these people, specifically the right grouping of words is supposed to be an incantation to get them out of social responsibility, and the wrong collection of words is what binds them.

Since the state regulates "driving" of vehicles, no sovcit drives. They all "move" vehicles or "transport" vehicles.

It's ridiculous, because law revolves around actions independent of how anyone in specific describes those actions, but that's the mindset of these people. Viewing their beliefs as a kind of word Tetris has at least helped me wrap my head around what could possibly give them some of their strange notions of law.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

My favorite line is "I'm not driving, I'm travelling"

Like Bruh, I guarantee he isn't paid enough to care about semantics

[–] happysplinter 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It really does sound like they can just have a high persuasion roll and get away with whatever they want.

[–] PunnyName 6 points 3 months ago

Helps being white.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to have a license to have a suspension on your license. I know it's fucky, but the legal reality is interesting: a "suspended license is a state of legal reality where a person does not have the right to drive, even with a license. No one takes license away; it means that within a state that issued the suspension, your license is effectively invalid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

In CA they can actually suspend your license if you do not have insurance. CA law requires all drivers to have uninsured motorist insurance, specifically because of all the people wrecking shit without their own insurance.

I’m pretty sure I heard that you can be ticketed for a lack of uninsured motorist coverage, even if you don’t have a license or a car.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I think sovcits may enjoy using acronyms more than software engineers do.

[–] Entropywins 3 points 3 months ago

It pretty fucking close...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

What software engineer enjoys acronyms? It’s all the business people that use them for literally everything.

[–] saltesc 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

What needs to happen is they need to stop utilising the property owned, run, and regulated by the state if they don't want the state seeking financial compensation and damages off them for illegally coming onto their property and using it without permission.

They're lucky, if this was someone else's property, they could get shot. Fortunately the state is very open with its property and allowing others to use it, however they obviously have some guidelines in place to respect.

Perhaps a car isn't for this sovcit if they don't want to use the state's roads and don't have their own to use either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Adding to this, under normal (non-sovcit) law, you don't need a license to drive. You need a license to drive on public roads. You can drive all you want on private property and no one except the property owner can say anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Have yourself voluntarily committed

[–] kellyaster 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hold on, this clown was moving without a lisence or incuranse? Lmoa he is so fudkec!

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 13 points 3 months ago

That's what sovcits do.

[–] fjordbasa 12 points 3 months ago

For a group of people that seem to think certain words are magical, they do tend to have a tenuous grasp on spelling…

[–] superfes 11 points 3 months ago

The red squiggles are in my mind... it hurts

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't signing the paper just saying that you're okay to delay your case until you can be scheduled a hearing in front of a court? It's not an admittance of guilt, so duress does not apply.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

The "duress" part comes from the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) which are laws governing all commercial transactions within the US. It still doesn't apply because getting a ticket isn’t a commercial transaction, but SovCivs believe everything is a commercial transaction including interaction with the government.

UCC 1-308 is a section that says a party can partially fulfill a contract without agreeing to all of the contract terms. They must do so by explicitly stating they are completing part of the contract "without prejudice" or "under duress". That's why SovCivs write these words on everything.

[–] slickgoat 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I wonder what would happen if a black sovcit tried this type of thing?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

There's a ton of self documented examples on YouTube. I suggest a comfy chair, and a bucket of popcorn.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Black sovcits are a great big part of the sovcit population.

[–] slickgoat 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

There is a Moorish group of sovereign citizens, that I believe are mainly folks of color.

SPLC has them designated as a hate group.