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A while ago I reached a point in my privacy journey where I simply felt bored. It's not a result of going too far in privacy, but simply my threat model has caused me to let go of a lot of things that used to entertain me (games, movie streaming, short form video, etc.) The entertainment landscape in privacy seems pretty bleak, since you no longer own the movies you watch, the games you play, and lots of proprietary software along the way. I entertain myself through FreeTube, physical copies of movies, and offline installations of games like Minecraft, but it's still a step down from how it used to be.

What do you do to keep yourselves entertained in a privacy conscious way?

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[–] mipadaitu 78 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hiking, camping, fishing, outdoor activities.

Woodworking, painting, knitting, blacksmithing.

Basically anything that's not connected to a screen.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago
[–] HurlingDurling 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Go to your public library and just sit there and read a book

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Public library would be less private than just pirating the book. Public spaces tend to be thoroughly captured by stray security cameras (often with terrible Security). Impossible to avoid going outside lol so most likely fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You’ll never be able to live your life if you never go out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, I know that. Some people may need to take extra precautions when going outside. The reason for my original comment is that "outside" does not equal "more private" in many circumstances.

Humans need sunlight and it helps to release dopamine and vitamin D. Important.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To porn that you have painted yourself ahead of time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

You ever search any torrent tracker for anything not very specific? 80% of the results are porn.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Paint me like one of your French girls, Jack

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Personally I haven't really changed anything about my entertainment other than how I attain it. Torrented movies, shows, and books, cracked games, and ad+sponsor blocked YT via Piped mean I get all the same entertainment as ever if not more (plus I actually own it forever). The only thing I'll admit I miss a bit is Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Buy a book with cash. Read the book.

The entertainment landscape in privacy seems pretty bleak, since you no longer own the movies you watch

It's the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They have cameras in the bookstores with facial recognition

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

then don't go to those bookstores with cameras 🤦

not all bookstores have cameras

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was being facetious to make a point. There is a limit to the amount of privacy that one can achieve while still residing within a modern society. As with all things, it's a personal choice. Everyone has a limit up to which they are comfortable surrendering their privacy. You can be tracked and recorded even walking the streets in many cities, and in most retail stores. How far is one willing to go to be private?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The question was:

What do you do to keep yourselves entertained in a privacy conscious way?

The questions was not:

What do you do to keep yourselves entertained in a completely private way?

We are all aware there is no such thing as complete privacy unless you move into an Amish society. The only thing you can do is your best.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Ok, I'll give you that. But don't you agree there are certain aspects of privacy one must forego to live in a modern society?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried touching grass? 😃

But seriously, most outdoor activities are like the most private things you'll do all day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Never mind the security cameras, and the drones, and the smartphones, and the satellites...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those things are less-likely to be in outdoor areas than anywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where I live, there are security cameras all over the buildings and the lamposts and the traffic intersections and the parking lots, plus Ring/Nest doorbells everywhere. There are more cameras outside the buildings than inside. Everybody is carrying a smartphone and I see people taking pictures or video with them all the time.

Drones and satellites are really only outside.

So I don't agree with your conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Where I live there are no cameras, so I agree with their conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can own movies by pirating them. same goes for games etc

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But games will still have the built in invasive telemetry I think.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When people get games from e.g. fitgirl-repacks, do they play them offline? (just curious, I don't play games)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Online features don't work on pirated games in 99% cases (it says "connection error", "failed to connect to insert the developer company name here servers" or something similar) but I'm afraid the telemetry still works.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You're missing a pretty key fact; any good repack is going to disable everything trying to connect outwards. Otherwise the methods for pirating that content will be easier to detect and block.

It's also really easy to just check for yourself when a program is phoning home. https://superuser.com/questions/99039/any-good-utility-to-track-outgoing-traffic-and-requests-from-win-pc

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Hmm this is a good point.

[–] gaylord_fartmaster 4 points 2 months ago

You'd be surprised how often none of that is touched, and I really doubt any repackers are bothering to block any network calls if the original scene release didn't. I've used some equivalent of OpenSnitch that prompts on all network requests that I haven't explicitly allowed already for the past decade, and at least 90% of all games I downloaded during that time tried to phone home.

ALWAYS set firewall rules to block internet access to any software you pirate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

unshare -nc

Not my problem.

[–] autonomoususer 1 points 2 months ago

False, a pirated game is still anti-libre software.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Board games with friends and family. My brother rotates hosting board game night with his friends and it's great fun.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Pirate movies, shows, and music.

That and I play old games. SMB 2 rn.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Minetest in creative mode with Radio Free Fedi's comfy channel playing in the background 🤌

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Emulation is a great for offline gaming. You can also find some great FOSS games on flathub like srb2, srb2k and Mindustry. You can also get old books for free on Project Gutenberg and audiobooks on Librivox. In Germany (and other European countries) there is state financed tv which has free drmfree adfree and (relatively) privacy friendly streaming services. Newgrounds also is a treasure trove, especially for music. Also there is piracy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just get a separate device with a fake identity and no personal data for games and proprietary software. Short videos are hosted by very invasive companies and don't have any APIs or anything to make custom privacy-friendly frontends so it's out of the question (fortunately imo because that things are addictive and can degrade a person in months). Idk much about movies because I've never used a paid movie service like Netflix but since they're paid, privacy is very questionable there.

Unfortunately digital entertainment is very privacy-invasive overall. You can fix some of the privacy issues by the cost of convenience but some things will remain too invasive to be viable in many threat models.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Short videos are hosted by very invasive companies and don’t have any APIs or anything to make custom privacy-friendly frontends so it’s out of the question (fortunately imo because that things are addictive and can degrade a person in months).

If you view tiktok content thru ProxiTok, it fails to be addictive because things like autoplay and recommendations are disabled.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ProxiTok

Never heard of it but if a client with proper profiling mitigation exists, it's awesome. Though (as I understand) since there's pretty much no useful content on TikTok (unless it's a shortened copy of a YouTube video or something), good recommendations are really needed to keep the user entertained so privacy-focused clients without total profiling kill the point of the app.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

since there's pretty much no useful content on TikTok

Just like any other major social platform, it has been used to pretty good effect in organizing protests against various issues. https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/nation/2023/12/14/starbucks-why-everyone-boycotting-controversies-explained/71885557007/

I don't personally use it though. Too scared i wont be able to put it down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Just like any other major social platform, it has been used to pretty good effect in organizing protests against various issues.

Yea but come on we all know that stupid memes and harmful propaganda of all sorts will be at least 95% of your feed so it will degrade you fast. It's a nice platform for creation and advertising but not for consumption.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anything that doesn't require high tech still works really well. Don't need to worry about tracking software that tries to sell you something with say a horse or two. And as a bonus you get lots of physical activity as well which is healthy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Don't need to worry about tracking software

Unless you do it near a device with gapps installed because these were proven to collect real-time microphone data (may not be the case anymore).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Go read at your local library, you don't even need to check the books out if you read them there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can make your own open-source games, it's pretty fun. And of course there are loads of games that have no telemetry what so ever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

"Holy shit this guy programs games to play them what a chad." - MigratingtoLemmy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

"Shorts" rot your brain like maggots. They are like smoking nicotine. You are probably suffering from withdraw of domine.

I think it is healthy to not be constantly entertained. Go outside and be in nature for a while. Maybe you could even meet someone new.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Motorcycling. Nearly all modern bikes have no ability to touch the internet, so you can get into a really fun hobby with practical benefits without being spied on.