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[–] Skyrmir 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Best bet for the Dems right now is to make every Biden event, a Biden/Harris event. Join them at the hip, and make them the package. Keep the advantages of the incumbent, with the backup of a healthy VP to assure the public.

[–] Viking_Hippie 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's going to accomplish one thing only: making Kamala even more toxic to voters than she's already made herself.

Her being mostly behind the scenes where she doesn't get much Biden stink on her is the kindest thing they did to her since handing her the job.

[–] Skyrmir 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Their opponent is a felon, rapist, accused pedophile, with a record of taking away women's rights.

Kamala is sometimes rude.

You see how that doesn't really compare? Especially given she doesn't have to sell a policy agenda of her own, she just has to lay down how she's going to keep Biden's winning agenda on track.

[–] Viking_Hippie 1 points 4 months ago

Their opponent is a felon, rapist, accused pedophile, with a record of taking away women's rights.

Kamala is sometimes rude.

Also a fake progressive and a former chief cop who lengthened the sentences of penal slaves because the state was saving money forcing them to fight fires and who was notoriously overzealous in prosecuting cannabis crimes and has not apologized or even admitted fault on either.

You're right that she's still a fucking saint compared to Trump and whichever crazy person he'll choose as VP, though.

You see how that doesn't really compare?

I do, but unfortunately not everyone does.

She'd be by far the lesser evil, but it wouldn't be a done deal, since much of the electorate are fickle idiots who believe the horserace narrative of the media and have the memories of gnats. She probably couldn't afford to be too closely associated with the very unpopular current president during the campaign to replace him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

This is how you get President Mike Johnson.

[–] eran_morad 6 points 4 months ago

This is an exercise in risk management. I feel the bigger risk is to leave him in place. Unfortunately, i don’t see the kind of dispassionate calculation necessary for us to avoid descending into a fascist hellscape.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 6 points 4 months ago

... they simply will not be allowed to turn the page & start fresh, because everyone's incentives remain the same. If they did that, elites, including media elites, would have no choice but to openly & frankly grapple with Trump & what he represents & they *don't want to*. **

Spot on.

[–] Hikermick 2 points 4 months ago

Remember Senator Eagleton

[–] Tyrangle 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this was written by someone who didn't watch the debate. No one's expecting a change in ticket to go well - the argument is over whether or not it's necessary. This isn't a "skeletons in the closet" sort of situation - there's no amount of damage control that can fix this if it's real. The media always frenzies when they smell blood in the water, and campaigns respond by stopping the bleeding or giving them something bigger to go after. Trump is wisely keeping quiet, and Biden so far seems unable to make this go away.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The debate was simply the moment that Democrats admitted to each other that the emperor has no clothes, but even before the debate everyone already knew that a president who would turn 86 in office was almost certainly not capable of carrying out all the duties of that office. So now that people have started saying it, they're not going to stop, and that's a good thing if it gets a candidate likely to lose in November off of the ballot.

IMO the best case scenario would have been Biden withdrawing graciously and naming Harris as his successor in order to avoid a fight at the Democratic convention, but Biden clearly doesn't think so, and so my guess is that neither keeping him nor forcing him out are likely to lead to victory.