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[–] n3cr0 95 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That meme clearly comes from an emacs fanboy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

emacs

I actually don't know what emacs means. I only remember having struggles in understanding anyone who likes vim, because it mostly just confused me. But Probably its just what you are used to. The Meme is still funny, though.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Don't discount the possibility that some people that use vim, are old enough to remember using vi, over a modem connection. When you know the keyboard shortcuts it can be a lot quicker too even now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Vi is incredibly snappy when it came to commands.

Want to save? :w

Want to quit? :q

Want to save and quit? :wq

Very elegant. GUI WYSIWYG doesn't come close when it comes to commands.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

A lot of the things I'm using are generally hangovers from those low bandwidth days. I've opened a file and I know what I want is a way down? Not a problem 10-Page down to move 10 pages down the file without sending all that to the terminal.

What to cut the next 5 lines into the buffer? 5dd. Move to the line you want to paste to. Want to remove the next 5 characters? 5x. Often on a slow link moving your cursor along had a delay. But if you knew how far you needed to go you could do 30+arrow right to get the cursor to move directly there.

I think most are obsolete now, but I'm still used to using them out of habit mostly.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, I thought we were still using vi.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That would be me. I still call it "vi", default to it, and use "less" to preview files because I do almost everything on CLI. Vi is incredibly fast and powerful once you know it like second nature. I prefer vi over most, but the learning curve is a beast.

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[–] n3cr0 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

vim is a little hard to get into, but from there its benefits pay off with lots of features. On the other hand there is emacs, with an even steeper learning curve (*cough* long inconvenient button combos!), but it's considered so powerful, some say it's a separate operating system.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They say Emacs is an amazing OS, with the best calendar, to-do list, email client, etc. Just missing a good text editor.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess what, you can run Vim inside Emacs inside Vim inside Emacs now!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

emacs has a steeper learning curve? You can M-x <type stuff> tab to figure out how to do stuff, which is easier than Vim for learning IMO

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It comes from the words "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping".

Yeah, the name hasn't aged well..

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's even more crazy is when you've used vim exclusively for 30 years to the point where you sit down at someone else's computer and you try to use their editor and you are completely lost. You fumble around like you're an elderly person who doesn't know what a computer is, type random letters all over. You look senile.

But then you show them on your computer how you can record a macro of your key commands and then use a regex to match different blocks of similar text and apply the same commands all at once. And because you used navigation based on words and lines rather than characters it all just works.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think that's true of all editors, though. I ended up on the intellij side of things, and it means I'm clueless about VSCode's key patterns. I've only picked up ctrl-p so far, and keep having to remind myself "this is shift-shift in Microsoft"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

VSCode is what made me finally switch away from vim for anything but minor edits. It's just too good.

I did set up vim keybindings in it, though.

[–] icydefiance 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just to be helpful:

  • Alt+Shift+Up/Down to duplicate a line (IIRC on Linux this defaults to something more complicated and it's dumb so I changed it to match Windows and OS X)
  • Ctrl+D to create multiple cursors
  • Ctrl+Space to open autocomplete
  • Ctrl+Period to open the little lightbulb menu that sometimes appears next to your cursor
  • Ctrl+Shift+P to search for commands, so you don't need to remember any other shortcuts

Honestly that's about all of the shortcuts I use. The Ctrl+Shift+P menu will show you the keyboard shortcut next to the command, if it has one, so you can easily memorize it if you use a command often.

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[–] toofarapart 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For my vim journey it was the draw of being able to quickly navigate and manipulate text without ever needing my hands to move away from the home row on the keyboard, and being willing to put in the time and effort to push past the learning curve.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I first settled on vim as a teenager because I was a fan of... performing surprise penetration tests.

It defaults to opening files read-only, so you don't have to worry about the access/modified time on the file changing if you open one for... science reasons.

[–] _hovi_ 5 points 1 year ago

Nvim user so imo it would be funnier if it was about getting caught up in spending more time customising the editor than using it or something, but atm just reads like someone who only got as far as opening vim and not being able to figure out how to close it

[–] chandz05 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] netburnr 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You forgot to his escape twice first. You're in insert mode sir.

[–] chandz05 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More like ... Just in case

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

More like ... Just in case

MY PEOPLE!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

:q!<CR> is equivalent to ZQ

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

^Zkill -9 %1 is the only way.

kill -9 -1 if that doesn't work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This whole thread. I think you're just hitting random keys.

I think you mean to say ![4Zæ]>§??+

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The editor so good people never learn to leave it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Take my angry upvote

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Out of curiosity, I wondered what the original meme was. Found them and thought I’d share them:

Here’s the original: https://i.imgur.com/kERuZkW.jpg

And here’s the one that this is based off (slightly different): https://i.imgur.com/HFwENsd.png

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BTW, just in case you didn't know, you can put images directly in your comment with this:

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

vim is so last year. have you people heard of GitHub's new 'Atom' IDE? I think it'll be the next big thing 😊

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

An IDE written in Electron?? What a terrible idea! Nobody would ever be stupid enough to let something like that take off...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Vim keys in vscode for the win, I'm dead serious

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Neovim is awesome

[–] eddanja 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] kbotc 6 points 1 year ago

But why?

Did you start with busybox and just decide to stay there?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a moment of weakness I configured the Visual Studio to use Vim as input method and now I don't know how to change it back.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My entire first year as a network student was a Bernie meme: "i am once again asking, how do i exit vim?"

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[–] WhereGrapesMayRule 7 points 1 year ago

I can quit whenever I like. I just don't want to eyes shifting nervously

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Op, we have decided to go with a different candidate

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

They give us their ‘cures’ (neovim) while they suppress our medicine (emacs)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you looking to break the fragile peace we have? :%s/polle/fellow-vim-user/gc

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