this post was submitted on 22 Jun 2024
132 points (100.0% liked)

politics

19161 readers
5741 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 16 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Ensign_Crab 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Progressives want this. Donors don't. It stands no chance of passing. If Democrats win back the house and retain control of the senate, we'll get to see who rotates in to replace Manchin as the only Democrat whose voice matters.

[–] disguy_ovahea 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Your pessimism knows no bounds. It completely depends on voter turnout. If Biden loses, it’ll be due to abstentions. Those abstentions would have massive down-ballot consequences with the entire House and a third of the Senate up for grabs.

Vote in November, or be ready to accept what Republicans decide for our nation.

[–] Ensign_Crab -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Oh good. We're pretending proposals are accomplishments again.

Vote in November, or be ready to accept what Republicans decide for our nation.

I intend to vote for Biden in November. That will not stop Republicans from deciding, since Democrats keep adopting their policies, like they have with immigration.

[–] disguy_ovahea 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s already passed approval by the IRS and the Department of the Treasury. If Democrats vote more than Republicans, they will control Congress.

[–] Ensign_Crab -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If Democrats vote more than Republicans, they will control Congress.

Which only means we'll get to find out who the next Manchin is.

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One seat won’t matter with a sizable majority.

[–] Ensign_Crab -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So we'll get to find out who the next Lieberman is.

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
[–] Ensign_Crab -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We had a supermajority for Lieberman. It does not matter how big a majority we give Democrats. They find the no votes. They capitulate.

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The “supermajority” was a 60-40 split. That’s not a true 67/33 supermajority. It’s only filibuster-proof. It also only lasted 72 days.

[–] Ensign_Crab -3 points 4 months ago

The “supermajority” was a 60-40 split.

You think we're gonna get more than 60 this time? If not, We're only gonna see who the next Manchin is.

It’s only filibuster-proof.

Here's where I point out once again that Democrats could have done away with the filibuster for good at any point during which they had a simple majority. If they wanted to. They don't want to.

[–] Ensign_Crab -3 points 4 months ago

if (SenateDemocrats > SenateRepublicans) {SenateDemocratsNeeded = SenateDemocrats + 1;}

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

But i thought both sides are the same?

Jokes aside. I really hope that this passes and that other country's may take this as an example to follow.

[–] disguy_ovahea 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Biden’s tax plan has already been accepted through the IRS and Department of the Treasury, and would go into effect when Trump’s tax plan expires at the end of this year, as long as Democrats vote in November.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2169

With 33 Senate seats up in November and all 435 House seats, Democratic abstentions could absolutely cede control to Republicans. Inversely, a large movement voting against Trump, along with moderate Republican abstentions, could give Democrats full control of Congress.

Vote in November.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Senate Finance Committee Democrats met Thursday to discuss President Donald Trump’s 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, portions of which expire in 2025.

Pressure is already mounting from the party’s left flank to insist on sharp increases in the corporate tax rate and on the highest individual earners — and not to agree to any compromise with Republicans otherwise.

In the House, some top lawmakers are reevaluating past tax-and-spending bills that prioritized broad short-term investments that have since expired, demanding instead that Democrats focus on bringing in more revenue from major corporations and the rich that can permanently fund a limited number of high-impact social programs.

Trump, meanwhile, told business leaders this month that he hopes to cut corporate taxes to 20 percent, according to two people familiar with his remarks who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a private meeting.

In the Senate, their odds are worse, but recent polls show vulnerable Democratic incumbents in Ohio, Montana, Pennsylvania, Nevada and a challenger in Arizona outperforming expectations.

“There simply is no reason we can look at our economy right now and justify tax cuts for millionaires,” Daniel Hornung, deputy director of the White House National Economic Council, said Monday at the left-leaning Washington Center for Equitable Growth.


The original article contains 1,227 words, the summary contains 209 words. Saved 83%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago