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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

The 2024 Labour Manifesto is now online!

I am genuinely excited by loads of it, especially the green policies and the expansion of workers' rights, but probably the most important part of it is the stuff aimed at economic growth.

What do you think? Love it? Hate it? Inspired to volunteer? Some more sensible, moderate emotion?

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[–] DrCake 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

From what I’ve seen following the BBC reporting and a bit of others reactions is seems ok. I think some people will be disappointed that there’s nothing ground breaking or revolutionary like the Greens manifesto, but personally I’m fine with it.

The railways, net zero, and bringing back the 2030 petrol and diesel ban back are the bits that I think will get overlooked but are great policies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

It is basically a matter of saying we do need big change, but we need to be careful when going about it. Which is not a bad balance to strike, IMO.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

It's possible that they might just be going for a broad-appeal manifesto to make sure they get in, and then plan to introduce the more radical stuff further down the line.

But also it is Kier Starmer and Labour, so it's equally possible they'll do bugger all and/or kick themselves directly in the dick when they have an open goal at the last possible second.

Time will tell, I suppose.

[–] Schal330 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

"Labour will also remove the discriminatory age bands, so all adults are entitled to the same minimum wage, delivering a pay rise to hundreds of thousands of workers across the UK."

I like this change, shame it wasn't in place when I was younger!

My concern with this is that for a lot of young people retail is their first job, and so I suspect retail is predominantly young workers. What kind of impact would this have on the economy? E.g. if Morrisons hires lots of younger people and they now need to increase all their pays, I'm guessing they'll need to cut staff numbers or increase prices? Of course they are going to avoid cutting into their profits. Now times this by however many retailers there are. I can only guess there is the hope that people will buy more.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

This was also a concern when the minimum wage was introduced, but it never materialised. Hopefully that will be the case this time, too, but I suppose we'll have to see.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

As someone who works in Morrisons this wouldn't actually be the case. They pay everyone the highest level of minimum wage already so this wouldn't be a change. I know they aren't the only company that pays everyone the 21+ minimum wage

[–] Jackthelad 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Another potential problem with this policy is that it could end up leading to fewer younger people being taken on in these sort of roles.

If they've got to pay them the same amount as someone who is more experienced and would require less training, why would they opt for hiring the younger ones? This is partly the reason the policy is what it is now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That's an interesting take on "Young people won't be exploited as much".

[–] Skullgrid 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

privacy and human rights? rights of humans on the internet? what does it have regarding that?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nothing

Most people in the UK government regardless of their party don't give 2 shits about online privacy. Remember KOSA?

There are also much bigger issues at the moment IMO

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

what's wild is that i see all this stuff about making more appointments and reducing wait times for the nhs but nothing about paying staff and doctors more or allowing free movement in the eu to encourage more doctors to come work at the nhs.

so i'm assuming that "modernizing the nhs" means giving more control over to american healthcare corps.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One thing that I am really disappointed by is the lack of any meaningful reform to gender recognition. Like they pay lip service but they still want to keep the requirement for a medical diagnosis and they don't want to recognise non-binary people. I don't love the term red Tory because I think it's inaccurate but to me this is one are where Labour are closer to the Tory party than they are to other left wing parties

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No mention of anything related to reducing reliance on cars and investing in public transport and micro mobility or something of the sort? A major area of climate goals completely missing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, it is kind of disappointing to see all the pro-car stuff. In the section on Transport, they do mention trains and buses, too, but I'm not sure cycling comes up at all. Obviously they're trying to counter the dumb Tory anti-ULEZ stuff, but it'd be nice to see something that wasn't a defensive crouch sometimes.