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Hyundai Motors Announces Intent to Share Tesla Charging Infrastructure (www.businesskorea.co.kr)

submitted 1 year ago by L4s to c/technology

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Hyundai Motors Announces Intent to Share Tesla Charging Infrastructure::Chung Jae-hoon, the president of Hyundai Motor Company, discussed the company’s plans concerning electric vehicle charging during the Goodwood Festival in West Sussex, England. Following the unveiling of the first high-performance electric vehicle, the Ioniq 5 N, under Hyundai's core electrifica

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[+] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] partial_accumen 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“should we use an open standard for this new plug?”

“No, no. Make sure we as a society are beholden to one company ~~forever~~ until about the end of the year .”

Fixed that for you.

First, the signally protocol used for all non-Tesla cars at superchargers CCS, which is already an open standard. Tesla cars made after 2022 can also talk CCS to all non-Tesla chargers (with a cheap retrofit for many pre-2022 Tesla cars).

Second, the NACS physical connector is going through SAE standardiztion right now as we speak and that is expected to be complete about the end of the year. If you like you can already start calling it the open standard SAE J3400.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, they’ll be beholden to Tesla in order to use Superchargers, just like they’re beholden to Electrify America to use their chargers, but the connector and its underlying technology are open. If Tesla decides to switch all their superchargers to some new future non-NACS connector, that would be stupid, but the other companies still wouldn’t be beholden to them, they just wouldn’t be able to use those chargers

[–] partial_accumen 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, they’ll be beholden to Tesla in order to use Superchargers, just like they’re beholden to Electrify America to use their chargers,

I'm not following what you're trying to say. That use of "beholden" usually means "trapped" or "obligated". If most of North America is using NACS chargers (Tesla and other brands too), then where is the trap? A consumer can simply use another brand of charger is a NACS connector (of which there will be many brands). With the open standards its not like there is a lock on who can make a charger or where that charger can be placed. If anything, most Tesla chargers are not on the best real estate.

What is your concern with all EV companies in North America using NACS once it is ratified by the SAE as a true open standard?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, I was agreeing with you, just poorly haha.

Really what I meant is like “if you want to use superchargers, regardless of connector, Tesla has to let you. But cars/chargers switching to NACS doesn’t mean that if Tesla changes their connector your car stops working”

I’m totally in favor of the change (and I love that SAE is getting involved, since that makes it feel a bit more real)

[–] partial_accumen 1 points 1 year ago

No worries! I'm the first to say I have trouble with the same.

[–] TeamSheep 3 points 1 year ago

Hasn't this always been the plan for Tesla? Being the infrastructure and battery technology, to make themselves indispensable to an EV world? The cars I always felt were a sideshow in achieving this.

Totally agree that this cannot be the way forward with this. Guess I'll wait for the EU "standardise the charge" pitch.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tesla has officially won the charger wars.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They won that battle but I don't know how this will help their market share

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well they already own the charger market share. Now everyone can pay and use their supercharger network, that's just more revenue.

Other automakers don't even have a charging network... I suspect Tesla will continue building out their charger network and probably even end up making more money on charging than on selling cars, while all the other automakers just kinda sit back and hope someone else picks up the slack.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Charging networks don't generate the kind of margins that the cars do. There are a lot of people who bought teslas because of access to the network. Now they've given up that advantage AND existing tesla owners will be competing for limited charging stalls with hyundais and Fords.

[–] notavote 4 points 1 year ago

Their market share depends on their manufacturing capacity.

Yeah, they can not win it but I guess they hold enough patents and are ahead of reserch for now. If they play it right, they will remain significant player, but also easy to disappear.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So that's Ford, GM, Volvo, and now hyundai. I'm assuming every US EV will have NACS by '25. That's actually kind of exciting.

[–] joekar1990 4 points 1 year ago

Rivian as well