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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Source that she was a lesbian?

Theres an article that talks about some signs that she was but i cant find anything that couldn’t be interpreted as being non binary and asexual.

[–] PugJesus 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/apr/30/m-maxwell-knight-mi5s-greatest-spy-master-henry-hemming-biography-review-robert-mccrum

After some unpromising beginnings as a naval reservist, London clubman, and jazz band leader, Knight’s first undercover job in 1923 was to penetrate the extreme right “British Fascisti” movement. The BF was a far cry from the jackboots of Hitler or Mussolini. Its founder was a lesbian former ambulance driver named Rotha Lintorn-Orman. Its membership included the captain of the England cricket team and the Irish fitness fanatic William Joyce, who would resurface later in Knight’s career as “Lord Haw-Haw”.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago

Thats a mention but it has no source of its own.

I found this on the wiki:

“Lintorn-Orman was dependent on alcohol and drugs, and rumours about her sexual orientation began to damage her reputation. Eventually her mother stopped funding her after hearing lurid tales of drink, drugs and orgies. Lintorn-Orman was taken ill in 1933 and was sidelined from the British Fascists”

A rumor isn’t the same as “it been know she slept with other women at these parties” it could also stem from “have you realized she has never dated a man?”

But i also understand that with historical things like this you cant exactly ask the dead what is and isn't true.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Why ? Because a lesbian can’t be fascist?

[–] PugJesus 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why ? Because a lesbian can’t be fascist?

Less "can't" and more "homophobia is generally associated with fascism". Like how Ernst Rohm and the early SA were outliers.

[–] Schmuppes 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Röhm also liked them young.

[–] Anticorp 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty foolish for a lesbian to support the fascism of that era, yes. The UK fascism post-wwi was in support of the rise of the Nazi party, which was pretty happy to kill homosexuals.

[–] PugJesus 5 points 5 months ago

Well, she was instrumental in starting the fascist movement of Britain, which predated the Nazi party's rise to prominence. And even the Nazi Party's virulent homophobia didn't fully bloom until the Night of the Long Knives erased the SA's power.

[–] LANIK2000 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Can't wait for the day when colorized pictures become the norm and more people realize that 100 years wasn't that long ago and that the main difference is the speed of communication, the quality of the medical system, the fact that rural areas have the quality of life city folk have and the fashion. Ofc some social issues have advanced considerably, but it's roughly still the same themes and topics.

[–] Maalus 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So what you are saying is "everything is different "

[–] LANIK2000 -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you a doctor in some rural ditch that really likes fashion or something? Otherwise I don't see how that's "everything". The daily life of your average western person wasn't too different in the 1920s, nor were their political opinions. The main point I wanted to make is that we still generally talk and care about the same issues. If we weren't addicted to scrolling social media and were esthetically blind, most of us wouldn't immediately realize it if we were transported back in time.

[–] Kayday 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If we weren't addicted to scrolling social media and were esthetically blind, most of us wouldn't immediately realize it if we were transported back in time.

I don't know about that. We didn't even have a public radio station in the US until 1920. Television didn't come around until 1925. Frozen food in 1929.
The simple act of driving to the store to get shopping done for dinner would be quite different.

[–] LANIK2000 -4 points 5 months ago

Oh right, forgot about America... Imagine bulldozing your entire city just so you can live the American dream of driving for basic necessities.

Also I don't watch TV or listen to radio. Many people don't. I generally don't buy frozen goods either, I can just grab anything I want fresh from the store, it's literally down the street (Or have it delivered, like what my gf does, tho that's definitely a modern luxury). I usually just grab some meat and cream on my way from work.

My daily lifestyle outside of work as a developer doesn't differ too much from my great grandparents.

[–] Anticorp 7 points 5 months ago

Things are dramatically different from even 20 years ago. 100 years ago was a completely different world. Of course they had some of the same social issues, because they were human and history repeats itself, but the experience of living then and now was nothing alike.

[–] GreatRam 6 points 5 months ago