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Given overtaking is impossible for similarly matched cars and drivers can avoid pitting simply by driving slowly, what kind of event would you have for Sunday?

Best I can think of is an elimination style event: cars are released from the pits in reverse grid order with a 3s gap between each, and if you can stay within 1s of the car in front for a whole lap, that car is eliminated unless they're also within 1s of the car in front of them at the end of the lap (I guess the last checkpoint would need to be just before the pit entry).

Worst I can think of is a series of duels, where Kevin Magnussen is given an SUV and a 3s gap, and drivers need to successfully overtake in an F1 car within 1 lap.

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[โ€“] calamitycastle 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Just make the cars smaller and it will be fun again instantly. The f2 race on Sunday was absolute box office

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Monaco has always been a procession. You have drivers complaining about the overtaking at least since the 1980s, probably longer.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Exactly. With the new regulations coming in they will be a bit smaller again, but probably not sufficiently so to allow full blown racing at Monaco again, but it's a step in the right direction. Compared to 20 years ago, modern F1 cars are big lumbering beasts.

[โ€“] greyfrog 0 points 7 months ago

It won't make any difference, really.

[โ€“] cooltrainer_frank 10 points 7 months ago

That is an amazingly bad worst format, I absolutely love it.

I like the idea of running a full tire rainbow (at least the 3, maybe C2-C5 instead) in a race. Lots of pits, lots of out and in laps. You can decide how hard you want to push cold and new tires, with some steady laps between

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The cars are way too big nowadays.

[โ€“] Everythingispenguins 3 points 7 months ago

Yep it seems until this is addressed anything else is just lipstick on a pig.

[โ€“] ninth_plane 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Like driving a boat, ironically

[โ€“] Everythingispenguins 3 points 7 months ago

It turns out not enough like boats

Paul Hawkins 1965 Monaco Grand Prix. He was unhurt.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Putting my clothes in the washer and watching my shirts overtake my shorts on each turn.

[โ€“] ninth_plane 3 points 7 months ago

...but you're always left with an unpaired Red Bull at the end of the cycle.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I jokingly call quali โ€œthe raceโ€ and the race โ€œThe paradeโ€.

Might as well make official.

EDIT: the above might give the impression I donโ€™t like Monaco. I fucking love Monaco. But quali is where the points are made. On Sunday you just follow the car in front of you and hope your team doesnโ€™t mess up.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Special Monaco compound tyres that will only last 15-20 laps, and drop off a cliff if not pushed to maintain temperature.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tbh I wouldn't change a thing, I had a tonne of fun yesterday. Once you've watched F1 for a while and understand what's going on in the background, even just watching the timing screens can be exciting. Watching the gap between Piastri and Russel, for most of the race you couldn't tell of it would open up to a full pit stop, at which point Piastri would probably have pitted, triggering a Pit stop for both Ferraris and Norris aswell. I get that more casual viewers need more on track action, and I probably wouldn't like if the whole season was like that, but for one race a year I think it's great.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Same! I'm surprised by how many people think Monaco should be binned for the crime of being strategic rather than action-packed. If you're that affronted then watch F2 or MotoGP, there's much more overtaking in them!

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

If all you care about is on track action, F1 is probably one of the worst racing series for you. Not even half the races are action packed, and that's been the case for probably 10-20 years or even more.

[โ€“] itsathursday 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Iโ€™d much rather a beefed up qualy knockout so each lap is balls to the wall on the limit racing event. There would be no wheel to wheel at all unless the cars are significantly smaller I canโ€™t see that happening, so may as well make Monaco a race over 1 lap, and just go all out with the idea so we truly get the fastest driver and car in the end winning.

Fuck tyre management. This is not an endurance formula.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

This is not an endurance formula.

It is a little though, unless you want every race to be a 15-lap sprint?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Your idea reminds me of the canyon races in NFS Carbon.

[โ€“] Jozav 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

A slow lap can be done by driving through the pits (or is there some other alternative road?). A car has to do a slow lap if he did not have DRS for 2 laps while the car following did have DRS.

DRS time can be extended to 2 or 3 seconds.

[โ€“] ninth_plane 1 points 7 months ago

An alternate road would be great but it would probably be outside the principality.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I think there should be a ramp coming down toward the marina and the cars should launch into the yachts, destroying them.

If you're worried about your precious racing boys, I have thought of that and they could have life jackets on under their jumpsuits

[โ€“] drdabbles 2 points 7 months ago

Park the cars on a display and leave them there for three days so the spectators can walk around and be seen. Pretty much the only think that 81 of these events has been useful for, it seems. At least in the past breakdowns might change the order, but at this point there's no reason to keep going back there. The event gets worse every damn year, and this year was such a pathetic display of who can drive the slowest that I basically fast forwarded through most of the event.