Aren’t school times early because jobs start early and parents want their kids in childcare at that time? If the parents didn’t want it this way, I don’t think the schools would do it.
this post was submitted on 18 May 2024
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We had a debate in our district about start times, and there were a myriad of factors.
Working parents was one factor. Most people need to get their kids on the bus or dropped off before work.
Bussing was another hurdle. The High School busses needed to be done in time to do the Middle School and Elementary School runs, which means most of the drivers were running three to five routes every morning. It's true, your teen might not need supervision in the morning, but your second grader shouldn't be home alone waiting for the bus.
The factor I didn't anticipate was after school activities. If your kid plays outdoor sports, you need classes to be over early enough to have enough daylight left for practices. One of the suggestions that was discussed was having the elementary schools start before the high school, but that did not leave enough time after school. Even the indoor activities would go too long into the evening for the kids to get their homework done.
There are a lot more factors, but those were the ones that surprised me.
Not enough time for homework seems like kids doing these activities already don't have enough time for everything and are sacrificing their sleep in order to get it all done. Feels like you can pick 2 between sleep, school work, and activities, and currently the latter two are winning.
Homework should be abolished.
Most sports activities are not daily. My kids go to training twice a week (one in the weekend) and music lessons once a week. They still find time to game online with their friends, as they should. I'm sure it's not the same everywhere but I don't get the sense my kids are super stressed.
How old are your kids? Most high school sports meet every day after school when they’re in-season where I teach, and every school I know of is the same.
I'm my district, high schoolers would no longer be able to work and provide for their family after school. Others needed to be home before their elementary school aged siblings and would no longer be able to. Those families won't be putting up money for care. Those second graders are most definitely just going to be home alone.
What kind of dystopian hellscape do you live on where children need to provide for their family?
A place in the US with minorities
Heck, we have summer vacations because school kids used to be needed on the farm and then because it was too expensive to air condition the schools.
In a "scientific" world, we'd reevaluate education and make changes all the time, but people are tied to their traditions and don't want to think that the older folks had an inferior education.
I live in a rural area. If this had anything to do with farms we wouldn’t have summer vacation, we’d have fall vacation. Harvest time is far and away the busiest time on a farm
lol!
It's funny because this is what I was told back in grade school, and never thought about it, even though I know that fall is harvest time.
It's still very expensive to cool down schools in the summer. A lot of schools don't even have air conditioning, and they don't have the budget to pay teachers for two more months, much less install AC everywhere.
Don't get me wrong, I'll happily pay my school taxes to get a better educational system, but not everyone sees it that way. You'd need to raise taxes, and people are selfish.
You need to raise taxes on the people that can afford it.
Agreed. Sadly, those people have legalized bribery, and it's cheaper to buy politicians.
This seems to be talking about high school though. I don't know that childcare issues apply at that point.
Here in texassss, first class time would be irrelevant as anything related to sports or music is gonna start at six in the morning and it isn't considered a class.
This seems to be talking about high school though
In rural areas it's all one bus system.
If a 12th grader rides the bus, and so does his neighbor in 1st grade, they get on the same bus.
So schools start and end at the same time. That's not even addressing how many families "the big ones watching the little one" where a young child's after school childcare is their older siblings.
Having them on different schedules would cause a lot of issues.
Here in texassss, first class time would be irrelevant as anything related to sports or music is gonna start at six in the morning and it isn’t considered a class.
I mean, if I was in Texas I'd rather have practice at 6am than 4pm... I grew up way further north and during the summer I was in the fields on a farm at like 5am and happy about it, because it meant we were done when it reached peak heat instead of spending it working.
Heat stroke is a real thing and 4pm is the hottest part of the day.
But early morning practice would wake the kids up and mitigate the effects of early classes. Moving traditionally after school programs to the morning is part of the solution.
School starts at 8:30am and ends at 2:30pm. Most people work 8am-5pm as a standard shift. These things do not coordinate well.
So teens are all going to be responsible and not just go to bed an hour later?
Studies have repeatedly shown that teens go to bed around the same time no matter what time they have to wake up.
Biology is the reason, not choice. During those ages their circadian rhythm is set a few hours later.
It generally changes as we age to going to bed earlier and waking up earlier in the morning.
In humans evolutionary history, we've almost always been around large nocturnal predators. Having staggered sleep cycles that allow some members of the group to be awake and on guard is and important adaptation.
In today's society with our strict time schedules, it's a maladaptation.
I think an important part of the conversation is that most teens have a different circadian rhythm.
Ideally, the schools start late enough that teens can go to bed at midnight or 1 AM and still have enough time to get the sleep they need. Instead of school ending at 2 or 3 o'clock in the US, why not end at 5pm and make the start time later?
I think more the point, and I know math is hard, why not subtract 9 hours from when you have to wake up and make that bed time?
Because teens aren't going to go to bed at 7:30 PM.
No school starts 9 hours after 7:30 PM, at 4:30 AM
And no one takes 0 minutes to get ready and travel to school.
Even if you give an hour for that you still can go to bed by 9 and be fine
School will never be later than the average work start time - average home-work travel time - some reserve. Children just need to gyro before parents have to go to work
An old boomer teacher from Mexico just a few years ago casually but proudly commented that he preferred to give his math and physics classes at 8am, as the students (meaning their minds) would "still be fresquecitos (nice and fresh)".
This is the stubborn medieval old wives tales ignorance - from the science teacher, no less - that any enlightened attitude within the educational system is up against.
The real reason why they don't is that parents need to get to work. School starts early so that parents can drop their kids off and then head to work on time.
Whatever happened to buses and sidewalks?
Idk, man. I used to have to get up at 6:00 am every morning so that I could be at the school bus stop by 7:10 am. Now all I see is a huge line of cars waiting to drop kids off or pick them up. I can't even remember the last time I saw a school bus for kids younger than high school.
I've had to plan my wife's medical schedule around the total congestion that this new one-car-per-kid pattern has caused. It's insane.
When I was a teen I got like 2-3 hours of sleep, sometimes none when I was gaming all day, lol. Can't do that anymore unless I start playing Paradox games again.
There’s always cocaine.
then go to sleep earlier you dolt.