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The Biden administration last week put a hold on a shipment of U.S.-made ammunition to Israel, two Israeli officials told Axios.

Why it matters: It is the first time since the Oct. 7 attack that the U.S. has stopped a weapons shipment intended for the Israeli military. The incident raised serious concerns inside the Israeli government and sent officials scrambling to understand why the shipment was held, Israeli officials said.

President Biden is facing sharp criticism among Americans who oppose his support of Israel. The administration in February asked Israel to provide assurances that U.S.-made weapons were being used by Israel Defense Forces in Gaza in accordance with international law. Israel provided a signed letter of assurances in March.

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[–] disguy_ovahea 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Looks like protesting still works.

[–] meeeeetch 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Once they're under enough pressure, conservative governments will occasionally grant concessions.

[–] disguy_ovahea 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Tell that to a homosexual in Russia or a pregnant woman in Alabama. Democrats might listen. I wouldn’t hold my breath with a Republican in office.

[–] lennybird 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Exactly. Imagine if it wasn't just Trump but Mike Pompeo that piece of utter dog shit instead of Blinken. They'd be cheering on the bombings faster than Dick Cheney could say WMD while they just laughed at the protesters.

[–] meeeeetch 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Worth noting: I was describing Biden as a conservative. The GOP is only conservative in the sense that, whether they realize it or not, they want to conserve the monarchy. Their platform is more radical than your local anarchist collective.

[–] jeffw 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, the protests technically just called for divestment

[–] disguy_ovahea 8 points 1 month ago

They didn’t though. They’re separating Biden from his constituency and he knows it. This is why protesting is important. Well, protesting Democrats. Republicans don’t give a fuck about what you have to say.

[–] Ensign_Crab -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah. Maybe centrists should stop calling everyone who does it a Russian trumpist.

[–] disguy_ovahea 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Who called the protesters Trumpists? I’m under the impression they’re mostly liberals.

Edit: Oh, it’s you. Yes. Suggesting others abstain from voting to protest Biden is another way of supporting Trump. That’s not what this is. This is a reaction to actual protests.

[–] Ensign_Crab -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Suggesting others abstain from voting to protest Biden is another way of supporting Trump.

That's not what I'm doing and you know it.

Anyway, there's some good news for those of us who don't support genocide.

[–] disguy_ovahea 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Agreed. Let’s hope this is just the start of withdrawal of support.

[–] Ensign_Crab -1 points 1 month ago

We'll see. I doubt it would surprise you to know that I'm not optimistic.

[–] Evilcoleslaw 15 points 1 month ago

If true that's an encouraging development, but I'm withholding judgement until it's confirmed as true and the reasons behind it are revealed. Whether it's part of a larger message about offensive aid in relation to Israel continuing to signal an imminent large ground invasion of Rafah, or one of the baby steps of sanctioning individual military units, or if it's just some logistical holdup.

If it's anything but the latter the administration really needs to work on their public messaging. Even if you're playing hardball behind the scenes to reduce harm, continuing with the public line of "We support whatever Israel does 100% of the time every time." makes anything else ring hollow.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Israeli airstrike that killed seven health workers in Lebanon used US munition, analysis reveals Human rights experts say attack was violation of international law, and that US supplying of weapon defies 1997 Leahy law

[–] Ensign_Crab 4 points 1 month ago

Too many Americans think Tony Stark was heroic before the cave.

[–] Maggoty 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The US and Israel have both said it was a logistical problem, not a political or legal problem. CNN

Of course you found the absolute worst take that had no real information and all of the conjecture.

The Biden administration paused a shipment of US-made ammunition to Israel, according to a source familiar with the matter, who did not disclose why the decision was made. The hold is not connected to a potential Israeli operation in Rafah and doesn’t affect other shipments moving forward, the source said.

Asked about the paused shipment, a National Security Council spokesperson cited ongoing security assistance to Israel.

“The United States has surged billions of dollars in security assistance to Israel since the October 7 attacks, passed the largest ever supplemental appropriation for emergency assistance to Israel, led an unprecedented coalition to defend Israel against Iranian attacks, and will continue to do what is necessary to ensure Israel can defend itself from the threats it faces,” the spokesperson said.

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It was the only article released at the time I posted it. Every other article I could find cited it as the source. That’s so discouraging. I really thought there was hesitation in supply.

[–] disguy_ovahea 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] Maggoty 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well shit. I apologize. But now you've got officials saying one thing and then the other. This is usually what we get with the GOP in the white house.

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No apology needed. At first it was only that Axios article, without a named source. Then the CNN article stated that the reasons were unconfirmed. This is the first article citing White House officials, and it’s still not a direct communication.

At this point I’d like to hear of an official change in stance, or at least formal condemnation of the Rafah attack, before being certain that this indicates change.