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NHS charter to stress biological sex when placing patients in wards (www.bbc.co.uk)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is the right behind "Martha's rule", which is being introduced in the NHS, to ensure patients know they can ask for a second opinion, with[ the government providing funding to hospitals for posters and leaflets informing patients and their families.

Martha Mills died aged 13, after being admitted to King's College Hospital, south London, in 2021, having injured her pancreas slipping on to the handlebars of her bike while cycling.

She later developed sepsis - but with better care, could have survived, an inquest found.

So they’re using the death of a child who was killed due to NHS incompetence to make trans people more likely to receive incompetent care or no care at all. Very cool and normal country.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

make trans people more likely to receive incompetent care or no care at all

I don't follow; why does placing transgender people in wards according to their sex mean they're more likely to receive incompetent care or no care at all?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If a trans woman thinks there’s even the possibility that she’s going to be stuck in a ward with men then odds are she’s not going to go unless she feels like she’s about to die. This means preventable stuff spirals, which is one part of why trans people are more likely to die of preventable illnesses.

In addition for someone who is on hormones, if you treat them as their birth sex medically then you’re going to be missing signs of illness or interpreting normal things as a sign of illness. Ex: it’s extremely common for trans men on testosterone to have “high” hematocrit levels, which can be a symptom of all kinds of problems and a risk for other problems… if you compare it to the typical range for cis women. If you compare it to the levels of cis men, for most people it’s completely normal. Focusing on non-problems like that instead of what brought someone in is going to result in a lower quality of care and make someone less likely to seek care in the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Your not going to stop taking a medical history of someone just because they are on ward A or B. Your second paragraph is nonsense. Every patient has to be treated individually and many people are on unique combinations of medications.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Competently treating trans patients is more than knowing what medications someone is on. I know trans people that have had doctors strongly push medical detransition for having minor temporary health problems completely unrelated to their HRT. Immediately hitting the 'medically detransition' button every time one value goes out of range on one blood test isn't competent care. Google 'trans broken arm syndrome'. This stuff all has an effect on whether or not trans people seek care and how competent the care they receive is. If you set up in the minds of medical professionals that trans people are 'actually' their birth sex then you're setting trans people up for receiving bad care, period.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Is there a big gameshow-style wheel in Downing Street labeled "who to shit on today"?

[–] Streetlights 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This was promised back in 2010

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/dec/15/mixed-sex-hospital-ward-fines

Governments have been struggling for 15 years to end the sharing of wards by men and women. Lansley said in August that it would end in all but accident and emergency and intensive care units by the end of this year.

The only reason mixed wards happen is because demand has grown but funding has not. The NHS is being crippled on multiple fronts by chronic lack of resources.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, which results in transgender patients not seeking necessary medical care. Fuck you, Tories, and fuck you, NHS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

transgender people, whose gender identity differs from their biological sex, may be provided single rooms, where appropriate

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why split things like bathrooms or hospital wards by sex or gender anyway? Any solution that validates trans people while still separating genders is only going to be a bandage solution at best, as it doesn't solve the underlying issue of sexism "I can't be in the same room as someone of another sex/gender, that would be terrible!" Like what? Are we trying to accommodate religious idiots instead of trans people or something?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No, it's to stop putting men in the same wards as women in case the men rape the women or harass them. It's about protecting women.

[–] peg 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, it's to make women who assume they will be raped feel safe. Men don't just rape women because they're in the same room. They don't change gender to improve their rape opportunities either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh no no, if I'm even in the same room as a woman alone as a cis male I'm obligated to rape a woman

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

This shit is so blatantly and openly misandrist, I can't even imagine growing up as a boy hearing this rhetoric thrown around how you're just a monster and you can't prove otherwise, spread by what you would assume at first are kind old ladies on the street.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Trans women aren’t men so that’s irrelevant here.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Well they aren't the same as normal women either, so what are they?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Trans women. It's in the name innit.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There is a reason why hospitals have "sex" instead of "gender" on their paperwork because gender is fucking useless now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I always say female anyway and so do all trans women I know. I specify "biological" if asked because I'm not a cyborg either. This isn't some gotcha you think it is and idc what other dogwhistles you invent. Cope and seethe.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t ask, don’t care 🤓

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Biologically trans women ARE men. You obviously cared somewhere along the line till it comes to something that actually matters

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Biologically trans women are trans women, they have very little in common with cis men other than chromosomes, they're not the same as cis women entirely but have far more in common with them.

The average trans woman has had her T levels nuked for decades, usually below cis women levels and E levels same as a cis woman, their bodies are completely different including their genitalia most of the time.

As far as the actual medical truth of the matter we are not cis men, I don't have to worry about testicular, prostate or penile cancers but I do have to worry quite a bit more than a cis man about breast cancer for example.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You obviously cared somewhere along the line till it comes to something that actually matters

What are you even trying to get across here?? lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pointing out your hypocrisy when it comes to the safety of people, women in this case.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m one of the people that would be forced into a room with women and I have no tits and grow facial hair my dude. It doesn’t make me or them safer. Your position is simply stupid and coming from a place of bigotry.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Must be Hungarian then /s

If there weren't over 100 genders it wouldn't have come down to sexes.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Y'all brought this on yourselves by defining every last feeling as a gender therefore making it impossible to define each "gender"

My stance is not due to bigotry, I couldn't give any less of a fuck what you do to yourself or with whom.

At the end of the day we're all humans. Everyone should be able to feel safe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

you made me confused after I read 2 posts on twitter dot com by some fringe teen enby and now I'm going to be a raging bigot to trans women

Very cool. Cis people really are the best.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

They should be stressing cyber sex with all the infectious diseases in wards these days.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

For example, same-sex accommodation rights, which have existed for years, can and are breached where there is a clinically urgent need to admit and treat a patient and do not extend to areas such as critical care or accident and emergency.

"By putting this in the NHS Constitution, we're highlighting the importance of balancing the rights and needs of all patients, to make a healthcare system that is faster, simpler and fairer to all."

"The confusion between 'sex' and 'gender' in official policies like the NHS Constitution is what has enabled women's rights to be trampled over in the name of transgender identities," she said.

Martha Mills died aged 13, after being admitted to King's College Hospital, south London, in 2021, having injured her pancreas slipping on to the handlebars of her bike while cycling.

Labour's shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: "Rights on paper are worthless unless they are delivered in practice.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How is this not common sense? It's a matter of woman's safety, like avoiding a repeat of Isla Bryson

transgender people, whose gender identity differs from their biological sex, may be provided single rooms, where appropriate

Fair enough