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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The mirror universe sucks. It adds nothing to the franchise, and the episodes that involve it are some of the worst in every series

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

100% agreed. They should have forgotten about it after the one TOS episode. I like that episode a lot though.

[–] ummthatguy 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Idunno. What about mirror Ezri and Intendent Kira?

[–] FlyingSquid 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Honestly? Queer representation by characters in a universe where everyone is evil is, in some ways, a step backward.

[–] ummthatguy 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That shit's on Berman. Mirror Kira was such a fun character, allowing Nana to chew up the scenery.

[–] FlyingSquid 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Mirror Kira was fun in that sense, but honestly, I don't feel like the mirror universe stories added much to DS9 and there are other ways she can show her range.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

I skip every mirror universe episode.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Strange New Worlds has painted itself somewhat into a corner by being a prequel.

It's a great series, but if Spock and Uhura are in trouble, and the only way to save them is for that nice James Kirk fella to sacrifice himself, well, we know that there's a twist coming.

[–] Telodzrum 16 points 6 months ago

This is always going to be the problem with series set before canon events and it's long been an issue I had with them. I know it's easier to write historical fiction in an established universe and you can dodge some of this by going back far enough (see: ENT); but, it is always going to feel hesitant and a bit uninspired.

[–] FlyingSquid 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

My bigger issue with SNW Uhura is it's taking way too long to become the super confident TOS Uhura.

[–] ummthatguy 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And will we see any of that Uhura before the show's end? The next season will likely be their last, the way Paramount's going.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 6 months ago

That's what I'm worried about too.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The OG Enterprise, NCC-1701, is ugly as sin, inside and out.

[–] ummthatguy 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Outside of the garish stages and costumes (now in fabulous technicolor!), this guy is exhibit A in your case:

[–] FlyingSquid 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's the issue? He's calibrating the duotronic plasma panel with a magnetic resonance adjuster.

[–] ummthatguy 16 points 6 months ago (6 children)
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[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

See? Now that is the sort of hot take I've been hoping for!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I almost added that Voyager is the prettiest and there's no contest. Glad I left that part unsaid. :)

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Making Sisko the Emissary added a lot of bad habits to Star Trek that went against a lot of the ideals of early Trek. Kirk and Picard were both supposed to be competent humans, but only that far. Sisko led to writers creating those whose paths were dictated by fate, like Archer and Pike.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Tuvok alone was worth killing Tuvix for. Resurrecting Neelix was a happy accident.

[–] FlyingSquid 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I loved Neelix, especially when it was revealed that pretty much all of his bowing and scraping and his jealousy could be explained by having extreme PTSD after seeing almost his entire species get wiped out, but it was always clear to me that Ethan Phillips played Neelix with a lot of sadness hidden behind his behavior.

After Kes left, he was also a much better character.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I actually love the character, and Ethan's portrayal.

I'm really just being spicy.

That said, only one half of Tuvix was capable of operating Trek's famous science-magic-saves-the-ship interface(s).

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Neelix and Kesssssss should have been shot out of a torpedo tube while still conscious before the end of Season 1.

Star Treck Disco was, is, and will always be a hot mess of spare parts boldly going nowhere.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Neelix and Kes should have been a father figure/orphaned little sister relationship. Neelix lost his sister in the metreon cascade. Kes lost her father not long before running away to the surface. Both should have played into those roles instead of the weird creepy relationship they went with. They wouldn't have needed to be shot out of a torpedo tube without Neelix's incessant jealously over every little thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Kes was a gross character whose entire appeal was fetishizing youth. Neelix and Kes was an even grosser relationship.

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[–] ummthatguy 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Pretty sure that's been established as the concensus by now.

My contribution is that Harry Kim deserved to stay an ensign. Considering how often his impulse or libido resulted in disaster (or his own death), he would have been kicked out of Starfleet entirely. Lucky for him, they were stranded in the Delta Quadrant and Janeway needed bodies.

[–] DharkStare 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also, IIRC the few times he was in command, he wasn't any good at it.

[–] ummthatguy 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The ship in distress he decided to help. Turns out they were smuggling a cloak prototype to defend against a warring faction. Look at our little Ensign Kim, breaking the Prime Directive for the first time. They grow up so quick.

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[–] darthelmet 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I didn't actually have a problem with the way Enterprise ended. Setting aside the actual quality of the episode, I think the framing device connecting the beginning and ending of this era of Star Trek was fitting given that this was the end of Star Trek for the foreseeable future.

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[–] negativenull 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My 2nd hot take in this comment section: I actually enjoy Star Trek V - The Final Frontier an awful lot. Roasting Marshmelons, singing Row Row Row Your Boat, being one with the horse, killing "God"... What's not to like?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I've only seen a few episodes of TNG, but mine is Q is lame and unenjoyable. Maybe he gets better as the show goes on, but having the first episode involve him was a bad decision.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

The pilot episode script was for a single episode about Farpoint, the suits decided it should be a 2 parter pretty late in the game. The writers tacked on the Q plot in a bit of a rush. I'm not a fan of the next Qpisode either, that one is just classic season 1 TNG badness, riffing too hard on classic trek before they found their own voice. His appearances get better and better.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

i never got where people thinking burnham is a mary sue comes from. the whole concept of her character is that she's a cowboy loose cannon without the competence to back it up. it's specifically a subversion of every time our hero breaks the rules and steals The Ship and it ends up being ok because they saved the day or stopped the big war or whatever. the series starts with her trying to do just that, bringing about what she wanted to prevent, and getting arrested for it!

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Neelix is the greatest character on Voyager.

[–] ummthatguy 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I will not tolerate this sort of Neelix slander.

[–] ummthatguy 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I love Neelix, with his toxic positivity and being a perfect foil for Tuvok. Mostly been looking for an excuse to use that gif.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's fair, I'm always amazed about how you come up with the most bonkers GIFs in almost every Star Trek thread.

[–] ummthatguy 12 points 6 months ago

They're not mine. I just have a knack for sourcing. Do a gif search for swear trek and enjoy losing a lot of productivity.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (5 children)

If time travel is said to be impossible yet it is so easily achieved in so many story lines in Star Trek than why didn't they just invent a safe way to travel between periods.

And if there is an eventual temporal war than everything gets destroyed and all life is wiped out in the galaxy. There would have eventually been an extremist group that would have taken the technology to it's fullest limits and traveled back to a period when the galaxy was very young. They would have severely altered everything to the point of not making any future possible.

It always annoyed me that engineers, scientists and technicians could always find a way to travel back and forth through time "just this once because of this reason" .... yet no one takes up the science to recreate the event and bake technology to purposely travel back and forth through time.

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[–] leave_it_blank 9 points 6 months ago

Strange New Worlds, the show that should have brought Star Trek back to it's former glory is horrible and unwatchable. People that behave like teenagers, not professional Starfleet officers. And they made Spock an Emo kid.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

TNG is pretty meh. I grew up with it, I've watched every episode at least twice, but now that I'm as old as Patrick Steward was when TNG started, I have a hard time caring about most episodes.

[–] FlyingSquid 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think this wins the award. Anyone want to challenge this one?

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