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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they got a C because they don't understand punctuation? Seriously, it was hard to read this tweet...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand how someone writes without periods. Is their mind one long run-on sentence?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

IDK, I see two periods, but they're right next to each other so it's wrong. I'll give it a C.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

they paused for a couple seconds, that's punctuation.

[–] Maggoty 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The professor couldn't admit they enjoyed reading something else after 150 essays that said the same stuff with the same sources. They did however have a good laugh at the 4 kids whose papers were all the exact same.

[–] runjun 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If it’s a film essay and good then I would be annoyed with more than 1 grade letter knock down. I would absolutely expect a ding against me due to not following instructions but having failure on the table is excessive.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One of the main lessons of school is following directions, so disagree here.

[+] runjun -14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Good god, this shit right here is why school really gets under my skin.

Here let’s present it in a different way. Write an essay on problematic humor in Revenge of the Nerds II. They do an essay on the history of Nintendo. Ya, that’s a failure cause they did something completely different. But if they did an essay on the Revenge of the Nerds, then a few points off for attention to detail.

The main thing should be what is overall being evaluated or trying to be taught.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Let's present it in the way that matters.

You're not in school anymore, you're at a job. We decided that after our story boarding session, we want to build out more of scenes 10 and 11. Please make storyboards for those.

Instead of doing additional storyboards for scenes 10 and 11, you do an amazing set of additional storyboards for scenes 6 and 12.

Guess what? This wasn't what I needed, you need to follow directions better. I'm probably not firing you, but now I'm forced to micro manage you because you're untrustworthy. I will fire you next time.

I'd argue it's better for you as the student to learn that paying attention matters vs learning through the experience of being fired for incompetence.

[–] irish_link 18 points 9 months ago

I also like the idea of driving a person to location A. I wanted to go to location B. You didn’t get into an accident so that’s nice however this is not the location I needed to be.

[+] runjun -7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I kind of figured this shit would jump to jobs quickly. In my last 25 years of working, I have received clear(ish), usually written instructions, of what to do and since it’s a job then what is expected of you for output is very focused. Not only that but the manager is directly incentivized to ensure you’re on the right task.

From how this written, it seems like the movie was likely said orally and the rubric would likely just state an essay due for that time.

So again, what is the overall goal of school? Attention to details is definitely a part of that but more how you’re thinking about the task. This is the reason math teachers often give partial credit if you make a small mistake early on but follow the correct procedure. Should you fail the essay for a spelling mistake? Attention to detail is crucial, right?

Let’s take your example, they did the wrong scenes and put your production behind schedule. You even state that they do an amazing set of storyboards. So your first jump is to micromanaging instead of doing some counseling and slightly altering how tasks are handed out. In that particular example, scenes aren’t banged out in an hour, so that tells me that you didn’t check in on progress at all. Not wanting to micromanage doesn’t mean they’re off on their own entirely. So you have an employee that does amazing work but might require written tasks and a check in but guess it’s the end of the world.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

From my perspective, critical thinking is one of if not the most important things to learn, so I agree with you there.

It sounds like you have only been in appropriately staffed and scoped jobs for your 25 years, which is great. I've personally found myself in much leaner roles where check-ins happen weekly and there's too much to do and not enough bandwidth to ensure everything is happening as it should. That's why my ability to critically think and follow directions allowed me to succeed. I would have failed otherwise.

I would not be the manager in that example but I have worked with those that would react this way.

[–] Frozengyro 6 points 9 months ago

Also give them a chance to bump it up if they redo the correct assignment.

[–] glimse 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm not sure I agree that failure should be off the table. Essays aren't assigned without context and if this guy was assigned a paper on a recently-made short film and wrote one about an old Disney movie, they weren't paying attention

[–] untorquer 7 points 9 months ago

I would agree for high school students, but assuming "professor" means college level, they need to follow those instruction. Granted, there are plenty of absolutely fuckwit college instructors/professors, but the fact that it wasn't an immediate fail reflects pretty positively on this one.